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2015/08/25 02:07:38
rabeach
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2015/08/25 07:47:54
Susan G
cparmerlee
I think I have neglected to ask the most basic question here.  For those that are using Aria successfully with Sonar, what release are you running?
 
For me, the player is 1.620 and I could not find any update later than that.
The engine, however, is 1.830, which I believe is the most current, dated 8/24/15.
Are these the versions that you use?




Hi Craig-
 
The version I have for both is 1.620. Here's a quote from the Garritan Knowledge Base: http://garritan.custhelp....wers/detail/a_id/5302/
As of ARIA Player 1.111, the player and engine versions should be the same (unless you own Garritan Abbey Road Studios CFX Concert Grand in addition to a separate library, in which case the engine version will be higher than the player).
Version 1.620 is the most current version of the ARIA Player.
 
There's a download link on that page as well.
 
See also: http://ariaengine.com/support/aria-engine-update/
 
Maybe you're encountering a version mismatch?
 
-Susan
2015/08/25 09:31:16
cparmerlee
michael diemer
You can indeed submit a mod wheel command at the beginning of the track. As I said before, put in a cc7 event, set it to at least 80, and you will have a mod wheel command for that track. The base volume will remain at that level, so you won't get a drop in volume. At least you shouldn't. but if you do, put it in again at that point. Use cc11 for fine adjustments.



The way Finale does this data, it uses CC7 commands all over the place.   There are probably over 100 of those commands all through the file on each track, so I don't think that is the issue.  But there aren't any cc11 commands that I can see.
2015/08/25 09:39:52
cparmerlee
Susan G
The version I have for both is 1.620. Here's a quote from the Garritan Knowledge Base: http://garritan.custhelp....wers/detail/a_id/5302/
As of ARIA Player 1.111, the player and engine versions should be the same (unless you own Garritan Abbey Road Studios CFX Concert Grand in addition to a separate library, in which case the engine version will be higher than the player).
Version 1.620 is the most current version of the ARIA Player.
 
There's a download link on that page as well.
 
See also: http://ariaengine.com/support/aria-engine-update/
 
Maybe you're encountering a version mismatch?

Maybe so.  I read that note the opposite way.  I took that to mean that it was Garritan's intention to put out a new player release for each engine release, but because of the turmoil at Makemusic (I think Gary Garritan is no longer with the company) they never followed through on that practice.  The note seems to imply that it is best to upgrade the player, but if you can't do that, you should go ahead and update the engine.  There have been many bug fixes to the engine since 1.620.  I'd hate to think I have to pack off all those fixes, because many of them looked pretty significant.
 
2015/08/25 09:45:53
Susan G
cparmerlee
Susan G
The version I have for both is 1.620. Here's a quote from the Garritan Knowledge Base: http://garritan.custhelp....wers/detail/a_id/5302/
As of ARIA Player 1.111, the player and engine versions should be the same (unless you own Garritan Abbey Road Studios CFX Concert Grand in addition to a separate library, in which case the engine version will be higher than the player).
Version 1.620 is the most current version of the ARIA Player.
 
There's a download link on that page as well.
 
See also: http://ariaengine.com/support/aria-engine-update/
 
Maybe you're encountering a version mismatch?

Maybe so.  I read that note the opposite way.  I took that to mean that it was Garritan's intention to put out a new player release for each engine release, but because of the turmoil at Makemusic (I think Gary Garritan is no longer with the company) they never followed through on that practice.  The note seems to imply that it is best to upgrade the player, but if you can't do that, you should go ahead and update the engine.  There have been many bug fixes to the engine since 1.620.  I'd hate to think I have to pack off all those fixes, because many of them looked pretty significant.
 


Well, all I can tell you is that it says 1.620 is the most current version of the Player, that the versions should match and that version 1.620 of the Player combined with the 1.620 version of the engine is working fine here. 
 
-Susan
2015/08/25 16:37:50
MarioD
I just did a quick test using Aria and J&BB.  In my test CC7 did nothing, that is no sound what-so-ever until I moved the mod wheel (CC2).    All of the volume changes were controlled by CC2 not CC7. Note that I don't have Finale so I can't test using it.

Try going to process and click on find/change and change all of the CC7s to CC2's and see what happens.  Of course do this on a copy and not on your only version.

Let us know how you make out.


PS - Susan beat me to the engine and player version thing.  Try that also.
2015/08/25 17:17:06
Beepster
This is likely completely stupid (and I apologize in advance... this whole thread is confusing as hell to me) but the Garritan Pocket Orchestra we got a couple years ago plays fine through DimPro.
 
Will the full on Garritan stuff not play through DP (or maybe DP just doesn't have the functionality the ARIA thingie does)?
 
Just mentioning it because... well maybe it would be a solution. I have no idea though.
 
i'll go be stoopid somewhere esle now...
 
:-p
2015/08/25 22:45:39
cparmerlee
Beepster
Will the full on Garritan stuff not play through DP



I was thinking the same thing.  The GPO shows up on my Dim Pro list of instruments, but unfortunately the jazz and big band library does not.  Maybe there is a way to get DimPro to recognize that.  It would be a little tedious to have 14 instances of DimPro, but I guess that's no big deal after I have a template set up for that.  Any idea how one would go about getting DimPro to use the JABB libraries?
2015/08/25 22:48:44
cparmerlee
MarioD
Try going to process and click on find/change and change all of the CC7s to CC2's and see what happens.  Of course do this on a copy and not on your only version.



I will try that.  At this point, I am not able to make Aria go silent on my command.  It always happened at seemingly random times.  It hasn't gone silent since I changed the "zero controllers when play stops" setting, but I haven't been doing much on that project.  I will need to allocate a block of time to do so heavy editing, so I probably cannot do that until next week.  Thanks for the suggestion.
2015/08/25 22:52:39
scook
cparmerlee
Beepster
Will the full on Garritan stuff not play through DP



I was thinking the same thing.  The GPO shows up on my Dim Pro list of instruments, but unfortunately the jazz and big band library does not.  Maybe there is a way to get DimPro to recognize that.  It would be a little tedious to have 14 instances of DimPro, but I guess that's no big deal after I have a template set up for that.  Any idea how one would go about getting DimPro to use the JABB libraries?


I thought Garritan extended the sfz spec with proprietary tags. Could be wrong though, don't have anything other than the DPro bundled Garritan library.
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