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  • When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end? (p.2)
2015/08/23 11:54:54
slartabartfast
jih64
 
And that's fair enough to. But as for selling/paying for something, a 12 month membership for a product officially supporting something, I think it would also be fair enough to expect that product to officially support said something for that 12 months, but maybe that's just me.




This forum over-represents users who upgraded shortly after the membership model became available, so many, like you, will not have thought this issue through. There is no starting date for any annual/12 month membership cycle. It is a rolling start date that begins when the new user activates a 12 month pre-paid membership. New users are permitted to jump in any time, and the "end date" for each user's membership is staggered across the next year. So requiring Cakewalk to support anything through the end of the last joining user's 12 months keeps putting an end to support off ad infinitum. The best you could ask for is a clear announcement when you sign up for 12 months prepaid, that support for Windows 7 will end at a date certain. Ideally that would be after, rather than before the membership expires for users tied to using Windows 7. At any rate, with that knowledge, a new Win 7 user could opt to do a monthly update until that known expiration date. On the other hand, the perpetual license/sale model for software has never guaranteed that any particular software version would continue to run on newer OS versions, and the experience of most is that they do not, and for the most part the user's only option is to buy new software or continue to use an old OS. 
 
If Cakewalk is not testing against Win 7 now, that would seem to indicate a significant erosion of support already. It does not necessarily mean that there will not be fixes for Win 7 specific bugs that surface after release of a monthly update. The fact that they are still listing Windows 7 as a minimum system requirement would seem to commit them to maintaining it on that OS.
2015/08/24 03:33:42
groverken
I have to agree. Having tried a fresh Win10 install I find that some of my hardware refuses to work - so I'm back on Win7 and happy. Best outcome if and when they decide to to end support would be to say something like "support for Win7 stops with the December 2017 update". That would allow me to buy another full year and then monthly until support ends. It also allows me to jump back in when I upgrade my PC.
2015/08/24 04:01:32
mudgel
As in every previous case, Cakewalk will stop supporting an OS when Microsoft do.
2015/08/24 09:33:46
RD9
mudgel
As in every previous case, Cakewalk will stop supporting an OS when Microsoft do.



Microsoft lists January 14, 2020 as the end of support.  I am so glad CW is making this long term commitment and we now have it in writing.  Thanks Mudgel.
2015/08/24 09:48:34
Anderton
RD9
mudgel
As in every previous case, Cakewalk will stop supporting an OS when Microsoft do.



Microsoft lists January 14, 2020 as the end of support.  I am so glad CW is making this long term commitment and we now have it in writing.  Thanks Mudgel.



I don't think Mudgel is a Cakewalk spokesperson, although I don't know for sure...but I also think what Noel (who does speak for Cakewalk) says is pretty clear: "There will be a limit for how long we officially support Win 7. We will soon stop testing on it though it will likely remain compatible for a long time. Win10 is ahead of Win 7 in terms of performance and memory management and outperforms Win7. Read my blog post if you need more details."
 
Windows is doing everything they can to wean people off XP, Vista, 7, and 8 by offering 10 for free. The general reaction is that 10 is superior to previous versions, so I suspect most people will indeed upgrade. 
 
As to testing on Windows 7, Windows 7 was released in 2009. That's a long time ago in "computer years." It makes sense that Cakewalk would emphasize optimizing performance on what will likely become the dominant Windows operating system before too long.
2015/08/24 10:24:54
Doktor Avalanche
RD9
Microsoft lists January 14, 2020 as the end of support.  I am so glad CW is making this long term commitment and we now have it in writing.  Thanks Mudgel.


Hey Mudgel you work for Cakewalk now :)

M$ aren't exactly saying when they are withdrawing library support or introducing new libraries that may be of interest to developers. Let's just say M$ releases a load of new audio application libraries that will only support win8 and upwards.. I think the motivation to dump win7 by then would be strong. Then again they aren't likely to dump win7 straight away when it is so widely adopted right now, we will see what the future holds..
2015/08/24 11:47:18
slartabartfast
To be clear, Microsoft mainstream support for Windows 7 ended January 13, 2015. After that date, they are no longer obligated to provide assistance to users without service contracts or substantial fixes or additional features. Win 7 is now in extended support, which typically means you will only be able to get "security" updates until January 14, 2020. So when you say Cakewalk will support Win 7 as long as MS does, that time may already be over. Windws XP was in extended support through April 8, 2014, but Cakewalk was not claiming that versions of Sonar released that late were going to be supported by Cakewalk to run on XP.  As of a day or so ago, Windows 7 was listed as part of a minimum system requirement for the latest Sonar, check again tomorrow.
2015/08/24 11:57:34
Doktor Avalanche
So with that in mind I think it's safe to assume win7 support will continue during the free giveaway win10 period but after that it's anybodies guess..
2015/08/24 12:12:12
Anderton
Simple solution: If you don't upgrade your OS and want to be completely safe, don't upgrade your applications. I have a removable system drive, and one disk has Windows XP with all the versions of programs that ran on it frozen in time in case I ever need them.
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