In a previous post I mentioned I would try creating Clip Selection Groups to see if I could force automation envelopes to stay linked that way (the logic being that if the clips are grouped to observe all selections and adjustments made on any of the clips in a group that this may extend to automation).
 
The short story.... that doesn't work.
 
The long story...
 
On clips the only automation paramaters available are indeed either the simple Gain and Pan envelopes and whatever is insert directly into the Clip FX Bin. So effects on the actually tracks (and other stuff) is not available. This was tested by switching the Take Lane (not the automation lane) edit filter (only way I could find to access active clip automation filters... not sure what happens with multiple clips but will test that later I guess).
 
Despite that, adjusting identical parameters enevelopes on two grouped clips does not result in the envelopes staying in sync. I only poked at it for a little bit but it does not seem to work. Didn't think it would but was worth a shot.
 
And yes... I am full on testing stuff and posting. Sorry but it might be helpful to others/save some folks some time.

Beepster
 
That is only for writing live automation envelopes on multiple Sonar parameters though.
 

Not really, MIDI data can be recorded into a MIDI track, edited and set to via a virtual MIDI cable. That was something I tried yesterday.

scook

Beepster
 
That is only for writing live automation envelopes on multiple Sonar parameters though.
 

Not really, MIDI data can be recorded into a MIDI track, edited and set to via a virtual MIDI cable. That was something I tried yesterday.

Interesting. I do not own virtual MIDI cable software but I will look into it. I know you and others have mentioned freeware programs that I have been meaning to look into. This would be a good excuse.
 
Unless of course there is something in my pile of Cakewalk synths and tools that can behave in this manner but I will assume there isn't.
 
Thanks. I will look into it.

Not in SONAR, third party, here is a link to one http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html
Maybe the new routing stuff will render it obsolete.

scook
Not in SONAR, third party, here is a link to one http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html
Maybe the new routing stuff will render it obsolete.

Good point. That is indeed a massive (and consistently requested) feature so maybe they are taking this type of stuff into consideration.
 
I'm kind of thinking that particular endeavor is what is occupying a bulk of the program team's time at the moment.
 
And it could indeed be the solution to my little "problem" here in general... just not how I envisioned it but that is fine. As long as it works and is relatively easy to accomplish in real world situations.
 
Cheers.

solved with BlueCat's Remote

proof of concept :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZlk40UTLa8

and Sonar's grouping, tutorial is here http://www.bluecataudio.c..._Plugins_Groups_Sonar/

xbitz
solved with BlueCat's Remote

proof of concept :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZlk40UTLa8

and Sonar's grouping, tutorial is here http://www.bluecataudio.c..._Plugins_Groups_Sonar/

That's an excellent vid and does show exactly what I was envisioning with the MIDI workaround (not the link envelope thing from the OP).
 
If money were no object that would definitely be in my kit. Seeing it in action I hope the Baker's considered this type of functionality.
 
However seeing this in action is making me think of this in a different way so thanks for that.
 
Linking automation lanes/envelopes, to me still makes more sense but that is indeed a rather elegant solution.
 
BTW... I'm not into EDM but the stuff you guys do (and have been doing) has definitely pushed the tech forward to the point even us dinosaurs reap the benefits. A good example seems to be Bitwig which I think actually has what I am talking about (or what you have shown in your vid) built in. Don't quote me on that and I'm certainly not going to switch but yeah... IIRC I saw some fancy automation tools that may or may not do this stuff. The benefits of being a newcomer to the industry I guess. Totally unproven though so who knows what the future will bring for them.
 
Cheers.

I don't believe you need to buy anything. I set things up a little differently than yesterday and I think this is a pretty good result. Here is what it looks like using a virtual MIDI cable (note: echo on in the MIDI track is not necessary):
I grouped two volume to group A and two pan controls to group B.
Added remote control to track one volume using MIDI CC2
Added remote control to track one pan using MIDI CC10.
Starting looping (the video actually starts here)
The volumes and pans are tracking the appropriate MIDI automation lane.
Change values in the automation lanes and the volume and pan faders respond to the changes.
Disable the remote for the first track pan and the group stops panning.
Re-enable setting the remote control to CC10 and the pan starts tracking again.

virtual midi cables has significant delay so I'm trying to not use it

Yes, that is the desired effect and I guess from there, within each track, it's just a matter of enabling Write Automation to make it permanent (and then if further edits need to be done you just overwrite from the virt cable track). I can only assume that the Virtual MIDI Cable is inserted as a synth to the controlling track.
 
If there is significant delay between the virt cable and the target tracks I guess that could be remedied by manually dragging the envelopes (in the Virt Cable track) backwards until the desired results are acheived but I can only imagine that the latency would be a) system dependent and b) tweakable by adjusting buffers?
 
Either way... at the very least that is all very educational. At best it's a good workaround.
 
I do appreciate you looking into this, scook.