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  • PRV request for Sonar Platinum, please help.
2015/08/14 08:24:40
Ddamaged1
I just bought sonar platinum and I have lingering issues that go back over a decade.

I don't want to have to download an app like duckbar just to get what i want.

Simply put, I want to be able to copy across tracks in Piano Roll View. This means that if i highlight notes on a track in PRV, i want to select another track and left click+ ctrl to copy those notes that I have highlighted into the new track i have selected on the right track pane in PRV. This helps me to double parts or copy note values into other tracks on the fly without having to do any additional steps. As it is now, when i click the notes i have highlighted, it brings me back to it's track. This is not what I want. 

The "smart" tool. I don't want to click and drag to write my notes in PRV! I just want to click and viola! I have my note. I also would like to be able to highlight my notes by clicking and dragging over notes with the smart tool. It can all be possible with the smart tool, but for whatever reason, we are not allowed to tweak it. Id also like to right click over notes to delete them.

I do not want to have to use the keyboard to switch functions as i am unnecessarily forced to do. I do not want to switch views to manipulate notes as I want to. I get so jumbled up doing these tedious extra steps that i forget the notes im trying to write out on the fly because i spent too much time jumbling about!

Sonar has failed to differentiate for me for the past 10 years. They had it right with Sonar 2. Even Cakewalk 8!! I have spent alot of money on this product and it is the best thing out there, but it is not perfect. I really hope one day my simple requests will be fulfilled. 10 years is a long time. Please help.

If I am not clear, let me know and I will make a video to show you what I mean instead.

Best,

Daniel DeCastro.

A.A.S. Music technology (Queensborough Community College 2003)
A.S. Music theory (Queensborough Community College 2003)
B.A. Music Composition (NYU, 2005)
M.A. Music Composition (NYU, 2007)
M.A. Special Education 7-12 (Teacher's College, Columbia University 2012)<<< as you can see, i had to major in something else because sonar is no longer as good as it was when i was younger.. true story.
2015/08/14 09:54:26
Anderton
I ctrl+click+drag the clip in Track View.
2015/08/14 11:21:34
brundlefly
Ddamaged1
I want to be able to copy across tracks in Piano Roll View.

 
- Select notes
- F7 (old Now = From binding I restored)
- Click in PRV track pane to focus target track
- Ctrl+C,V
 
EDIT: Just saw your other post, this does not address your need to transpose at the same time. I can see how the old functionality worked better for your particular workflow. It seems the specific feature request you need to make is an option in Preferences to have note selection not change the focused track, but it might be difficult to implement, depending on how the Bakers have coded it.
 

I don't want to click and drag to write my notes in PRV! I just want to click and viola!

 
Can't help you there without using Alt or double-clicking.
 

I also would like to be able to highlight my notes by clicking and dragging over notes with the smart tool.

 
Right-click and drag to lasso.
 

Id also like to right click over notes to delete them.

 
That should be working as described
2015/08/14 20:34:33
williamcopper
The other new feature/bug in platinum to be very careful about: if you have more than one track in your PRV, and if you have 'select controllers with notes' checked, and if you copy and paste, you are going to be spreading controllers from ALL tracks in the PRV onto new tracks that you never intended.    You need to take the extra step to look in the main track windo and de-select the highlighted tracks that may have controllers in the selected range, before copy. 
 
I consider it one of many bugs in PRV but CW seems to think it's just fine to waste our time with mysterious and secret actions like this. 
2015/08/14 20:36:13
williamcopper
And yes to the OP: my gosh, why not allow single click note entry?   I despise the double click or click n drag that is now required from smart tool, and the draw tool won't let you adjust length or position after clicking.   dumb dumb
 
2015/08/14 23:48:50
Anderton
williamcopper
And yes to the OP: my gosh, why not allow single click note entry?

 
There are two single click note entry methods.
  • If you want to create a note of a set duration with a single click, you use the Draw tool. 
  • If you want to create a note with a single click and then change the duration, you use the Smart tool.
So help me out here...I just don't understand what you would want to have happen after a single click that's outside of the two available options. The only thing I can think of is that you want to be able to use the Smart tool and with a single click, if you didn't do anything else it would create a note of a fixed duration, but if you dragged it would let you adjust the note duration.
 
However I doubt you mean that, because it would restrict the Smart tool to doing only that one function, which would turn it into a truly dumb tool - you couldn't use it to change position, transpose, change velocity, change duration, or do any editing functions at all because as soon as you clicked, regardless of your motivation for clicking, you'd create a note. So you'd have to switch tools constantly to do any editing i.e., if you wanted to change position you'd need to switch to the Move tool, and to adjust velocity or duration you'd need to switch to the Edit tool.
 
OTOH if you made the Draw tool follow that protocol - have it create a note of a fixed length if you don't do anything, but if you drag it would let you adjust the note - that would take out the current ability of the Draw tool to create repetitive notes at specific rhythmic intervals, including things like chromatic slides.
 
What I find particularly useful with the current tool protocol is that you don't have to leave the Smart tool at all to do both functions, because the Alt key is a modifier that switches the Smart tool to Draw tool functionality. So I can use the Smart tool to draw a note with a particular length, then hold the Alt key and use single clicks to draw a whole bunch of subsequent notes of the same duration.
 
I'm open to any specific suggestion you can give on what it is you want to have happen with the Smart Tool, providing it wouldn't lead to having to switch tools constantly to do basic editing functions. Maybe you think it wouldn't be a big deal because you could always call up the different functions with Function keys, but while I don't have a problem with keyboard shortcuts - I find them great time-savers - I'd still find having to hit different function keys all the time frustrating.
2015/08/15 01:36:15
icontakt
williamcopper
And yes to the OP: my gosh, why not allow single click note entry?

 
Because the majority of users are happy with the current behavior, and probably because there are more important things to improve/fix than implementing a customizable Smart Tool. You should be thankful that the current Smart Tool allows single click note entry by just holding down the Alt key as mentioned.
2015/08/15 06:01:17
williamcopper
Regarding tools: it's pretty simple.    Look at Sonar up through sonar 8, it worked, was fast, was flexible.    Not that big a deal, one gets used to nearly anything.  But entering notes in sonar, using a mouse, since x series takes about 3 times as long as it used to.   The draw tool, as currently implemented, is simply useless for speed unless the notes are all the same value, which in my music doesn't happen that often.   So I tend to use the Alt key, but of course that's a two hand operation and there is usually something I'd rather do with the other hand.   A person's got to scratch occasionally.
2015/08/15 06:08:46
williamcopper
And, as I ws getting back to work and using the Alt key, was reminded of this:  some wacko at CW decided that a good sequel to Alt-Click with the smart tool would be the scissors tool, so you can't adjust the end of a note with the smart tool without releasing Alt, then waving the mouse away from the note to get rid of the scissors, then reclicking the note to lengthen or move it. 
2015/08/15 08:17:56
chuckebaby
williamcopper
And, as I ws getting back to work and using the Alt key, was reminded of this:  some wacko at CW decided that a good sequel to Alt-Click with the smart tool would be the scissors tool.




come on now, no need to start flaming cakewalk designers.
there is a lot of work that goes in to designing a software that can be useful to many types of users habits.
I think cakewalk has done a great job using customization their software to adapt to users own work environment.
in other words, you cant please everyone, but you can try, I think they have tried and then some.
not everyone works the same. I happened to think the smart tool advances in the last 2 versions alone, have been futuristic.
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