Anderton
Try it out just to make sure I'm not hallucinating.

Yes, it works, thank you for finding it. But I want it in Smart Tool and without Alt :)

Anderton
Lasso erase with the Erase tool is just left click+drag rectangle around the notes you want to delete. Don't know why the help would say otherwise.

I mean Lasso Erase with Smart Tool ALT+Right-click+Drag.

Ddamaged1
The "smart" tool. I don't want to click and drag to write my notes in PRV! I just want to click and viola! I have my note.

 
You can use the Draw tool for that. I already explained earlier why you can't have a single click with the Smart tool, because then any time you clicked to do an editing function, you'd create another note. The Draw tool solves that problem.
 

I also would like to be able to highlight my notes by clicking and dragging over notes with the smart tool.

 
Right-click and drag a rectangle around the notes you want to highlight.
 

I'd also like to right click over notes to delete them.

 
Here are your options with the Smart tool...
 

• To delete an individual note, right-click on it.  
• Hold alt and right-click to use the Smart tool as a mute tool (like an eraser, except the notes aren't gone permanently).
• Right-click and draw a rectangle around the notes you want to erase, then hit Delete.

 
You can also choose the Erase tool (F10 if you want to use a keyboard shortcut), then right-click and draw a rectangle around the notes you want to erase. Release the mouse key, and they're gone
 

I do not want to have to use the keyboard to switch functions as i am unnecessarily forced to do.

 
Well, with a mouse there are only three ways you can make a tool do a different task:
 

• Positional context clicking within the data
• Right-click instead of left-click
• Modifier key

 
Some people don't like positional clicking, some people don't like keyboard shortcuts, some people don't like having to place the cursor on a different tool to select it. But you have to do something to tell the computer to change a tool's identity. 
 
I think positional context clicking makes a lot of sense in some cases. If you hover a cursor over the edge of a clip, it makes sense the computer would interpret that as "the operator wants to do something that involves the edge...probably wants to shorten or lengthen it, so I'll switch the tool to do that."
 
Having used SONAR since 2000, I would not want to go back to a pre-X-series version. To me, anything that has been lost has been replaced many times over with better ways to do functions. Yes, I had a hard time adjusting to X1, and the bugs didn't help. But now that I've "learned my instrument," I have never been able to produce music so quickly as I can now.

Adq

Anderton
Try it out just to make sure I'm not hallucinating.

Yes, it works, thank you for finding it. But I want it in Smart Tool and without Alt :)

This is what I don't get. You click with the Smart Tool to create the note...okay. At that point the note has no length, so you have to drag to tell SONAR the note duration. You've already dedicated click and drag to specific functions. You can't change one drag behavior to another without either releasing the mouse and re-clicking, selecting a modifier key, or...something.
 
If you want to click and not have to tell SONAR a note duration, you use the Draw tool. For whatever reason, Cakewalk's programmers decided that more people would find subsequent dragging to be more useful as a way to enter multiple repetitive notes with one motion rather than move the note position. I agree with that assessment, although I haven't done any surveys or anything. It's typical that the less a function is used, the more likely it is to require a modifier key.
 
Again, I suppose a totally customizable Smart tool would be the answer but I think it might end up being a construction kit nightmare for the user as well as programming nightmare for Cakewalk...I'd think you would have to create scripts, like "On mouse down, create note; on mouse drag, switch to move tool." I would assume that's doable, but I think the user interface required to create your own custom Smart tool might be daunting for many users. It would also make writing tutorials hell..."Now click and drag, unless you created a script where clicking or dragging does something else, in which case you can...oh, never mind. I have no idea what click and drag does with your program."

Anderton
This is what I don't get. You click with the Smart Tool to create the note...okay. At that point the note has no length, so you have to drag to tell SONAR the note duration. You've already dedicated click and drag to specific functions. You can't change one drag behavior to another without either releasing the mouse and re-clicking, selecting a modifier key, or...something.
 

That is why I need option to switch Click+Drag and Alt+Click+Drag behavior. In one state it works like now, in other Click+Drag draws and moves, Click draws, Alt+Click+Drag draws and change duration, Alt+Click set now time. It is like option "Simulteneous Horizontal and Vertical Zoom" changes Ctrl+Alt+Wheel and Alt+Wheel zoom behavior.

Anderton
If you want to click and not have to tell SONAR a note duration, you use the Draw tool.

It could be possible if Draw Tool could select, move and resize notes. In that case it could be the only tool to use, alternative Smart Tool. But switching tools is much more inconvenient than using current Smart Tool.
Did you find out what Smart Tool Alt+Click+Drag does? It does something strange, sometimes nothing, sometimes note duration are jumping, especially with snap off, looks like a bug.

Smart tool right click behavior doesn't match help description also. According the help right click on the note can only erase it. But in fact when clicking on upper zone (A, velocity change zone) it opens note properties. For me it is unwanted and annoying.

Adq
That is why I need option to switch Click+Drag and Alt+Click+Drag behavior. In one state it works like now, in other Click+Drag draws and moves, Click draws, Alt+Click+Drag draws and change duration

 
You're referring to the Draw tool, right? Because you couldn't have the Smart tool create a note every time you click or you couldn't do any editing. Besides if you're talking about changing the Smart Tool state to the functionality of a different tool, that's going to take one or two keypresses. Hitting a function key to switch tool states takes only one keypress. So I'm going to assume those are keyboard shortcuts you want for the Draw tool.
 
I think based on everything you've said so far, this would be your feature request for the Draw tool:
 
Change current Click+Drag shortcut from draw series of notes to draw single note and move, create new Alt+Click+Drag shortcut to draw a note and change duration (i.e., current Smart tool default function).
 
However note that when using the Draw tool you could do the same thing as your Alt+Click+Drag with:
 
F5+Click+Drag
 
...to draw a note and change duration. 
 
Either way, it's one keypress to get what you want. Returning to the alternate state would differ. With your keyboard shortcut, releasing the Alt key would revert to standard Draw mode. With what I describe, hitting the F5 key would revert to standard Draw mode (remember that F5 toggles between the Smart tool and whatever tool you used last, which in this scenario would be the Draw tool).
 
You could argue that it's easier to release a key than to hit one, but the big tradeoff is that people might not like having the ability to draw a series of notes taken away, because that's one aspect of what the Draw tool is all about. Remember, that's how it works with automation, so it's conceptually consistent. If you want to make this feature request, it would be important to make people aware of what they would be giving up in the process.
 

Did you find out what Smart Tool Alt+Click+Drag does? It does something strange, sometimes nothing, sometimes note duration are jumping, especially with snap off, looks like a bug.

 
I assume you mean right-click, yes? It works as described in the documentation except for one error - where it says "drag to perform the alternate mode of the selected Erase tool" it should say "drag to perform the Mute mode of the Erase tool." In other words, it does only mute functions, not erase. However, remember it follows the rule of the tool. With mutes, you can't just draw a rectangle around notes. The mute tool has to touch a note to mute it. A confusing aspect is that if you hover over a note with Alt held, it will show the Scissors tool because that is the default behavior for a left click. However as soon as your right-click, it becomes the Mute tool.
 
Finally, I assume you know that Alt+click with the Smart tool causes it to act just like Draw tool, with the note duration being the same as whatever note you clicked on last.

No, no, no.

Anderton

Adq
That is why I need option to switch Click+Drag and Alt+Click+Drag behavior. In one state it works like now, in other Click+Drag draws and moves, Click draws, Alt+Click+Drag draws and change duration

 
You're referring to the Draw tool, right?

No!

Anderton
Because you couldn't have the Smart tool create a note every time you click or you couldn't do any editing.

That's why? No, it is not true, nothing will be changed with editing. To edit you click on note, to draw on free space.

Anderton
Besides if you're talking about changing the Smart Tool state to the functionality of a different tool, that's going to take one or two keypresses. Hitting a function key to switch tool states takes only one keypress. So I'm going to assume those are keyboard shortcuts you want for the Draw tool.
 

No, it is impossible. It is inappropriate to switch to other instrument just to put note. I will never do it. I have described it 5 times already. I could do Alt+Click rarely with my 5 button mouth, but to reach out F10 key thousands times when I want just draw note? No. One tool, minimal clicking - that is the goal.
 

Anderton
I think based on everything you've said so far, this would be your feature request for the Draw tool:

My feature request keeps the same: fully customizable tool. All your latest suggestions doesn't reduce clicking. It is all the point. You suggest several ways, and every one of them is inconvenient or impossible. There is lack of functionality, and it can be solved by developing.
If some alternative keys are used very often, there should be option to do it permanent. It is obvious. But we have no single option concerning tools. It is pity.
 

Anderton

Did you find out what Smart Tool Alt+Click+Drag does? It does something strange, sometimes nothing, sometimes note duration are jumping, especially with snap off, looks like a bug.

 
I assume you mean right-click, yes?

No, Smart Tool Alt+Left-Click+Drag. It should do nothing, but does something strange. But it could do something useful if developed. Now it can't even change pitches, what is strange.
 

Anderton
It works as described in the documentation except for one error - where it says "drag to perform the alternate mode of the selected Erase tool" it should say "drag to perform the Mute mode of the Erase tool."

Why do you think so? I think it clearly says that Alt+Right-Click+Drag could Mute or lasso Erase, depending on what tool is selected in tool box, but it doesn't work. So there is no way to do lasso Erase by Smart Tool, and it is bad.

Here is my classification of the ways to draw fixed duration notes:
1. Smart Tool Left-Click draws, Drag moves - normal way, not implemented.
2. Smart Tool Left-Click + small drag - the only working way, very inconvenient. No moving with drag, need to drag every time, too many errors when dragging too much and duration start changing.
3. Smart Tool double click - impossible. Clicking hell, now time moving, no drag-move note.
4. Alt+Left-Click - very inconvenient and worse than #2, so practically impossible. Consistent Alt clicking, no drag-move.
5. Draw tool - impossible. Switch to completely different tool just to draw note, no drag-move (only with undocumented Alt), can't edit right after drawing, anyway worse than #2.

My piano roll feature request would be to get it to work more like Melodyne UI. Melodyne is slick and is very easy to use. It's also eye candy.

The piano roll could be a thing of beauty, with big improvements it certainly would make Sonar more marketable.

Adq
No, no, no.
 

Okay, now that I've sorted out where you mean Smart tool, where you mean Draw tool, and which click you mean (right or left), and that you want to retain positional placement for editing, what you're saying makes sense. I just assumed that part of what you wanted to do was to be able to place notes on top of each other, e.g., to send the same note to different channels on the PRV. Your proposal doesn't allow that, but you can't do it now anyway, so the point is moot.
 
Please specify all the options with the moves and modifier keys and make a feature request. When you make your request, I recommend being very specific with your language. When you say "draw note" some people might think as I did that the draw tool is involved. Say "create note" instead. Also make sure you specify right click vs. left click instead of just saying click. What you're saying makes sense now that I fully understand what you're saying. If you post it as a feature request, I'll vote for it...so there's one vote