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2015/08/18 10:29:43
Beepster
At a bit of a crossroads in my project. I have multiple MIDI parts I think I'd like to use DimPro for (bass, orchestra strings, vocal choir).
 
So I can set up Dpro in multi timbral mode (which supposedly allows up to four separate sounds/channels to play from one instance) or of course set up an instance for each instrument.
 
Multiple instances is obviously guaranteed to do what I want but is going to weigh down an already really heavy duty project. Just not sure if using it in multi timbral mode will essentially work the same.
 
Note: This will be my first time really using DP to accomplish something more complex than just a simple one track/instrument synth.
 
Thanks.
2015/08/18 11:01:49
Beepster
hmm... just checking my instrument track inputs and it looks like there are only two audio outputs from DimPro (left and right of the stereo output). This won't work for me anyway because I wanted to deal with 4 distinct outputs. I don't have it in multitimbral mode yet so maybe that's the problem but now that I think of it even if I got 4 channels some of these instruments need to be stereo anyway (so four unique outputs would only be two stereo outputs which is not enough).
 
Oh well. Still interested to hear about using the multi timbral mode and whatever else you guys want to talk about regarding this synth. I know it's cool, I've been learning about it and using it a bit more so yeah... I like ideas and hearing about the things you veterans get up to with stuff.
 
Open thread about DimPro (unless there are some thoughts on my little dilemma regarding outputs/multi mode).
 
Cheers.
2015/08/18 11:10:38
John
Thats fine for your own samples but for the Dim Pro library for most of the samples all four channels are needed. These are often layered.  One reason it has four channels. Dim Pro is really a single instrument sample player. 
 
I like to use Kontakt for multiple instruments and Dim Pro for its own sound of one or at best two instances. I have never used its channels with different sounds.   
2015/08/18 11:32:51
Beepster
Hi, John. Yeah... as I thought about it more that realization (and others) started setting in. Multiple instances it is then. I may have to start freezing stuff. My main CPU core is still at only about 50% and the others are kind of bouncing around between 5-50% so I could push it more but I don't like pushing things right to the edge. RAM is still totally fine (I don't think I've ever broken 25% on my 16GB of RAM which is pretty cool).
 
Thanks.
2015/08/18 11:38:45
AT
The 4 elements are usually layered to an extent - esp. for strings and orch instruments.  It is usually more trouble than its worth to try to use multi-timbral mode unless you have a bunch of single-sample patches.  I'm not sure how much CPU you'll save by using it instead of more instances.  That is a little more draw, I would wager, but it ain't like doubling the CPU drainage to use two instances of Dimpro instead of one instance with 4 elements.  Each element is like a synth unto itself - they only share global effects.
 
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2015/08/18 12:35:30
Beepster
Hi, AT. Yeah I'm off that kick now. I was thinking (or wasn't) thinking I could get away with some fancy routing and could if I wanted to but it would suck for what I am trying out.
 
I'm going to drop a trick in this thread though that I figure out (all by my lonesome... lulz) I think is cool.
 
So I like doing the "blended" bass sound where you clone your live bass track, dial in one clean, round and bottomy and the clone with some grit/saturation and EQ'd to get more of the high end pick sound. Then you blend them through a bus (where you can process further).
 
I usually play my own bass tracks but am working with some MIDI bass. So for a stereo out bass synth like SI or DimPro what I'm doing is setting up the synths stereo output so it is two mono outputs.
 
With the two outputs I can do the clone and blend trick exactly the same way. eg: Left channel can be the fat and round part of the bass and Right channel the gritty/picky/hi end. It works pretty good so far.
 
That's totally OT though but I thought it's cool and been meaning to post it. I'm sure others have done exactly the same thing so I don't claim this as an original idea.
 
;-)
2015/08/18 17:26:55
michael diemer
Never been able to get Dim Pro to work in multi-timbral.
2015/08/18 21:12:46
kennywtelejazz
You may or not know this ,if you do please disregard
to get it to work properly , you have to open up two instances of Dimension Pro …
then you use one to audition sounds …..once you find a patch you want to use , you copy and paste it to the Dimension Pro you want to use as a multit-timbral ….repeat until you have the 4 sounds you want …
 
Kenny
2015/08/18 22:50:49
bvideo
Most likely the "elements" will use the same CPU in multi-timbral or multi-instance. But each instance piles on internal effects, most likely. In some cases it might be good to disable the Dim Pro effects and bus the voices onto a common effects bus.
2015/08/19 00:52:04
kennywtelejazz
sure , I agree w you bvideo on disabling the effects on Dim Pro when going multi …
at least until you have things sitting as you want them to sit in the mix ….
I've had it happen where I left the effects on the D P while going multi and as my song progressed it took a lot of time and hunting to track down where all the effects were coming from .
 
say is that a pan head in your avatar ?
 
Kenny
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