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2015/08/19 01:10:50
stickman393
I have a standard "Quartet" patch that I use with Dimension Pro. I've loaded up Violin1, Violin2, Violas and Cellos, in each of the four elements, with individual panning to taste.
 
I then drive the single DimPro instance with four separate MIDI tracks, one per element.
 
I know this doesn't meet your needs, Beep, because I use the Stereo out from Dim pro. But it is a viable use case.
2015/08/19 19:01:50
bvideo
kennywtelejazz
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say is that a pan head in your avatar ?
 
Kenny


It's a flathead (side valve) from the 1930's. Not mine. I had a KHK (50's) also a flathead.
2015/08/19 23:16:59
michael diemer
I don't see any advantage in running multi-timbral mode. Is there CPU gain? Otherwise, why bother?
2015/08/20 01:50:00
stickman393
I'd much rather run (and freeze) one instance of Dim-Pro than 4. Of course there's a CPU gain as well.
But it's not a generally-applicable solution to run Dim Pro multi-timbral.
2015/08/20 04:19:27
Kev999
I don't believe that there is any significant performance difference in using Multitimbral Mode in place of multiple instances of DimPro. Only use if you want more than one sound per note out of a single "instrument".

Here's an example. Load a pad multisample into Element 1. After tweaking the settings to your liking, copy and paste it to the other 3 elements. Alter the settings of each element in turn, e.g. add a slight tremolo to one and maybe a tremolo with a different frequency on another, or a slower attack, or different decay levels, or whatever. Now create some long sustained chords in PRV. By default the notes will all be set to Channel 1, so change some of them to 2, 3 or 4. Chords made up of subtly different variations around the same sample set will sound a lot richer and much more interesting.
2015/08/20 04:23:39
kennywtelejazz
bvideo
kennywtelejazz
...
say is that a pan head in your avatar ?
 
Kenny


It's a flathead (side valve) from the 1930's. Not mine. I had a KHK (50's) also a flathead.




cool thanks , nice looking motor …
 
stickman393
I'd much rather run (and freeze) one instance of Dim-Pro than 4. Of course there's a CPU gain as well.
But it's not a generally-applicable solution to run Dim Pro multi-timbral.




 sure …I like to do the same thing myself….
 
Say , I see you have been around here for a while …
 
what I'm about to say is more or less for a lot of the folks that came around much later on …
 
We are talking about an Instrument that proven itself for something like 10 years ( or more )
10 years ago Multi -Timbral was a big thing  
if you had a P 4 you were good to go , if you had a Dual core or more you were considered to be running something top shelf .
let us not forget fellas and ladies  how good we do have it now …( sermon / reminder over ) 
 
When the D P  came out , the street price was around $ 250.00 …this was a lot of money back in 2005 / 2006 …
All I know is that I was new around here and I sure got a real bad case of the " I want it's "   
 
The Cakewalk forum itself was a hotbed of super creative energy back then .
Rene`was almost here daily posting tips and tricks , B Rock , Brandon , + a whole group of contributors  comprised of forum members were brought together by The Dimension Pro …
The Dimension Pro indeed created quite a stir . I saw this instrument not only as a creative tool , I saw this instrument somewhat along the lines of something like a compressor like one would put on a mix to add glue …it brought a lot of people together on a social level here on the forum and it had a lot to offer everybody from all walks of music….
The Dimension Pro still does ….imho 
 
You know it almost funny,  I don't think I remember ever seeing anybody ever fighting and arguing over it
 
The SONAR guys loved it , The P 5 guys loved it …the Space Rock guys loved it , the Tweaky Geek Type guys that love to twiddle  knobs for hours on end loved it ….even the dog I had at the time when I got it loved it  …..
 
I wound up getting the DP at a reduced price of $100 …That was the deal Cakewalk offer me as a P 5 user 
 
Anyway it's a Great Synth I happen to Love it ….I still use it on almost everything  …..
having it around , it sort of feels like a comfortable buddy that I like to hang with and do music with …
 
i found this link looking around tonight …this may be of interest to anyone who might want to read up on the Dimension Pro ……I'm already eyeballing a few of the skins ……
http://dimension.technetos.com 
 
Kenny
2015/08/20 12:59:55
Beepster
Hi, guys. Very cool info in this thread. It's given me lots of ideas and insight on DPro. I've always known it was a good synth/sampler but as an old stage stomping guit hound MIDI, synths and sampler stuff was/is of course a massive learning curve. I'm really starting to get a handle on the basics but of course it takes years (or lifetimes) to really figure this stuff out so it's great seeing all the neat ways you guys use this thing. Bit of a kick start.
 
A while back I made a decision to stop pining over tools I don't have (and can't afford) and instead properly learning what I already own (which is pretty much limited to the stuff I've gotten with Sonar with a couple calculated upgrades/purchases of third party stuff... some of which Cake have actually made unnecessary over time with the newer packages).
 
I know Komplete and other things are the usual go to's and I'd love to try that stuff out but I am indeed finding that a) my insistance on forcing what I already own to do what I want and b) my initial investment in X1 Prod Suite (I did not know WTF I was doing but it seemed to provide all the tools I needed to make full productions in comparison to other packages) have paid off.
 
DPro is definitely proving its value with what I am currently doing. It seems if there is a specific sound I need there is a bank for it somewhere (perfect example is I needed some gregorian chant type vocals and there's a decent sounding patch in there... not the greatest but I think I can tweak it to make it more how I like).
 
@Kenny... I liked the history lesson. $250 is half the price I paid for the X1 Prod Suite which obviously came with a buttload more than just DPro (Sonar, Zeta+2 (which I love BTW), Rapture, SD3, a ton of other cool synths, a mountain of FX I'm still sorting through and a wicked upgrade path that has gotten me a few more buttloads of really cool stuff that I previously had been freaking out about buying from third party companies).
 
Anyway... I know I keep saying that type of crap but as a broke arse ARTIST attempting to become a PRODUCER (not necessarily an engineer) it's things like DPro that leave me wanting for very little as I work. Even though I dig the workflow in Sonar (and that may be simply because I have so many hours invested in it) I'm quite positive it has saved me thousands of dollars. More accurately though, since I don't have thousands of dollars to spend or save, it's allowed me to work reasonably unhindered by lack of sounds, tools or options. It almost seems like the program/package has been growing with my own personal needs. It's almost freaky actually.
 
So just popping back in to thank everyone for their suggestions (and to blather a bit... I was ill yesterday so wasn't around). It has all given me some good ideas for some stuff I need to do/want to try and pointed out some potential limitations which I was initially asking about but don't matter anyway because based on this thread I have mentally sorted out a ton of efficient workaraounds.
 
You guys, as always, rule.
 
Cheers.
2015/08/20 14:30:38
Anderton
Don't forget that Dim Pro handles REX files really well. Until Propellerheads came out with the Octo Rex, Dim Pro was the best option for playing multiple, synched REX files.
2015/08/20 14:56:46
Beepster
Anderton
Don't forget that Dim Pro handles REX files really well. Until Propellerheads came out with the Octo Rex, Dim Pro was the best option for playing multiple, synched REX files.




I've slowly been mucking my way through the SWA Instruments vids again but this time I'm actually messing with the synths as I go. This of course in between the real "work" I'm doing in Sonar as well.
 
If you are familiar with those vids Karl seems to go through the simpler older stuff to give an idea of what specific things do then builds up to the more complex modern "replacements". I'm actually at the point of the SFZ and RXP section which progresses on to DimPro.
 
So yeah... even the included instruments is almost a history lesson but also a way to sort through some of the crazier synths like DPro which seem to be multi purpose. Also nice little peek into how those multisample type files look... which of course has led to me researching how to code and deploy them. Not that I'm doing that yet nor have I totally taught myself but now I know what all that crud means and where to find info if I really needed to dig in and create my own programs.
 
Slow but steady wins the something something...
 
;-p
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