brundlefly
Hi Gerry. Yes, as mentioned, I listened to both examples and I can hear the problem with the track labeled X3, but I don't get that when playing back or rendering the TTS-1 output. My X3 rendering sounds like the example in your 8.5 track.
 
I'm not sure what the issue is, but I think some preference in X3 must be set differently than in 8.5. that or there;s some issue with x86 SONAR that I'm not going to be able to reproduce because I'm running x64. Can you confirm you're running x86 SONAR? You're signature doesn't say.
 
And am I understanding correctly that this can happen with Ivory and other soft synths as well as TTS-1? Can you reproduce it in a project started from the X3 Normal template with no FX?  I noticed you have the old FX Chorus (32-bit only, I believe) and a Waves plugin and an "S1 Imager"  plugin in this project that I don't have. You'll want to make sure a plugin isn't causing ptoblems

Thanks for making this perfectly clear. I see now it's more of a system problem than a true bug.


 
I fixed my signature, yes I'm running 32 bit and would like to get it working first. I have 64 bit X3 installed and will go to it later
 
Yes this can happen with Ivory and other soft synths as well as TTS-1? But all external outboard synths work fine - no sus pedal sticking.
 
Good idea, I'll open a  project started from the X3 Normal template with no FX or other pluggins and import the midi track from a .MID file. IF this works, it will be a great starting place for finding the problem.
 
 

gmp
 
 I used the TTS-1 piano. I didn't realize it was DXi and not installed by 64 bit X3 - oops
 

Although TTS-1 is a DXi; it was ported to 64bit some time ago and is part of the basic 64bit SONAR install.

I opened X3e and opened the default normal.cwt template. I opened the .MID file of the or the problem piano track. I opened a TTS-1 piano, copied the midi track to the piano track and it played the same way with the sus pedal being stuck in the sustaining position.
 
Actually I think opening the .MID file bypassed the template and simply opens a new project with only the midi file, but there are no pluggins for sure, so I don't know if it makes a difference. I know some other ways of getting the midi into a template, I'll try that later

This time I opened X3e, loaded it's normal.cwt template and dragged the .mid file into the template, loaded TTS-1 piano and played the midi track - same sus pedal problem.
 
Not sure what to try next
 

 
The fact that it only happens with soft synths suggests it's a buffering issue, which is why I thought the Prepare Using buffer increase would fix it. Just to be sure that's not it, you should try values up to 1000.
 
And you should try your x64 installation just as a test to see if it exhibits the same problem. It's quite possible this is only an issue with the x86 version.
 
Other than that, and possibly re-installing, I'm not sure what else to suggest. 
 
Randy Bowser, another very experienced 8.5 user who recently upgraded, is also experiencing some unusual and inexplicable  issues with TTS-1 in X3e, so you're not completely alone:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...t-solved-m3024619.aspx

brundlefly
 
The fact that it only happens with soft synths suggests it's a buffering issue, which is why I thought the Prepare Using buffer increase would fix it. Just to be sure that's not it, you should try values up to 1000.
 
And you should try your x64 installation just as a test to see if it exhibits the same problem. It's quite possible this is only an issue with the x86 version.
 
Other than that, and possibly re-installing, I'm not sure what else to suggest. 
 
Randy Bowser, another very experienced 8.5 user who recently upgraded, is also experiencing some unusual and inexplicable  issues with TTS-1 in X3e, so you're not completely alone:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...t-solved-m3024619.aspx

I reverted back to the image file before I installed X3 for the first time when I was using 8.53. I did all the Win updates+optional, updated my video card and motherboard. I saved that as an image file. Then installed 64 bit X3a only not X3e and before I launched it the first time, I saved as image file. I then launched X3a, I declined to migrate preferences. I then loaded the bun file example you have and it's still has the problem sustaining the whole time.
 
I raised the buffers to 1000 like you suggested - no effect. I have X1 installed as 32 bit, so I opened it and loaded the bun file example and it works just fine - no sustaining problem.
 
I appreciate all your help and suggestions, but please humor me and try one more thing. Unfortunately my example file isn't that dramatic. When you play it sustaining it doesn't sound horrible, but when you hear it the correct way it simply sounds cleaner, lifting off the sustain pedal.
 
Try this please. Go to the example file and open the piano roll view and play the sample, then erase all the sus pedal events except the first one and see if you hear the difference. Undo and redo a couple of times and let me know if it's indeed working fine with your X3e.
 
What I'm hearing is X3 ignoring all the other sus pedal events. Sorry to put you though this. I'm just baffled by this.
 
Thanks,

I have had a similar issue IF i record from my Kawai CA63 piano via midi into sonar and then swap it for a piano sound in Kontakt, the sustain is a mess. If i record just using a soft synth then i dont have a problem. Could be the Kawai i guess..
 
Bibs 

No, I can totally hear the issue you're describing and the difference between the two bounces you provided, and I assure you mine is rendering correctly. Your troubleshooting approach seems sound so I really don't get why it's not working for you. I would suspect some unusual interoperability issue between X3 and your operating system, but my environment is actually quite similar to yours except for my no longer having 32-bit SONAR installed which I did right up until X3. I'm pretty baffled myself. 
 
One other thought: Did you install X3 as Administrator, and if so, are you running it as Administrator? I disabled UAC long ago, and do not install or run as administrator.
 
You might have to take this issue to Cakewalk Tech Support, and see if they have any ideas.

brundlefly
No, I can totally hear the issue you're describing and the difference between the two bounces you provided, and I assure you mine is rendering correctly. Your troubleshooting approach seems sound so I really don't get why it's not working for you. I would suspect some unusual interoperability issue between X3 and your operating system, but my environment is actually quite similar to yours except for my no longer having 32-bit SONAR installed which I did right up until X3. I'm pretty baffled myself. 
 
One other thought: Did you install X3 as Administrator, and if so, are you running it as Administrator? I disabled UAC long ago, and do not install or run as administrator.
 
You might have to take this issue to Cakewalk Tech Support, and see if they have any ideas.

I installed X3 as Administrator. I forgot to run as administrator the first time I launched X3a today. I guess I could try that. I wonder if this administrator thing could cause a problem. THis is a one person computer, so I'm actually the only user and administrator. I'm used to having total control over my computer at all times, like with XP and Win98. Since I'm already the administrator, I wonder if that's causing a conflict.
 
I did a bug report on this and today they said I should contact tech support.
 
I think I may try a very early image of Win7, do the updates, install my sound card and X3a
 
Still baffled..

I just had this happen to me yesterday with X3e and Ivory. Turned out that the pedal up was too close to the end of the notes. When I shortened the notes a bit in PRV, the problem went away. I didn't ever have this happen in X1d, so something has changed.
 
Regards,
Dan