2017/07/11 15:23:11
interpolated
So answer me this, is this aimed at all mix styles or just big production pop rock?
2017/07/11 20:21:42
sergiosimoes
Grem
I wonder if it will be included in the CLA Sig bundle?

 
Oddly enough, this is not included in the CLA Sig bundle (as even the interface follows the other plugs there), only in the expensive ones: Mercury, Pro Show and SD7 Pro Show. I guess I cannot complain as owners of the CLA Sig can get this for $14, they are introducing these and other new plugs for a very reasonable $29  price and almost all the old Waves prices had a big cut down in recent months.
 
2017/07/11 20:30:12
Jeff Evans
This is also a great plugin! For those interested it is not aimed at any one particular genre at all. No plugin in fact is designed for a particular genre! I find I can use any plugin anywhere on any style.  It is more about what you do with it that counts.  And yes it is excellent on an overall mix too.
 
This is another plugin too that needs to be level calibrated.  It is set for -18 but if you are like me and work at say -14 (sometimes or -20 others) than this is 4 dB louder or 2dB softer.  The little screw on the VU meter allows you to adjust the VU reference. If you are working at any ref levels other than -18 then the VU's will not be showing accurate readings. 
 
You need to run a sine wave through the plug at your chosen ref level to set this too. (VU in Input mode) 
 
This is a rather cool set and forget overall mix type plugin.
2017/07/12 09:41:48
interpolated
OK fine I will demo it when I get a chance. 
 
2017/07/12 10:20:45
mudgel
A nice plug to get just out of the blue. With all the updates to Mercury in the last couple of years I don't think I've had a dud.
2017/07/12 10:30:18
Grem
interpolated
 
So answer me this, is this aimed at all mix styles or just big production pop rock?
 



As I only tested it on three songs, metal type, hard rock and soft rock. So I can't really say how it would fair in say a orchestra type song/project.
 
But as Jeff said (and he has more experience) it's meant to be an all around set and forget type plug. I pushed the bass all the way up and it was all usable. Same for the rest of the sliders. There ain't a bad setting in there that I could find!!
2017/07/12 21:12:00
interpolated
I used it on master bus for mixdown tonight.
 
The chain being if remember correctly...UAD Fairchild 670 Stereo Compressor/J37 Tape Emulation/CLA Mixdown/Focusrite Scarlett Gate/Cakewalk Adaptive Limiter in Dynamic mode/Medium Lookahead.
 
When I first tried it I felt it was a bit much, however some tweaking with only subtle tweaks like 0.5 on bass/treble, 1.5 drive, about 2 for glue it sounded better to my ears. Maybe because I have so much processing before hand I only needed to do subtle. I wouldn't pay $99 for this and be entirely happy although I think it can still teach you how to mix better. Even if the CLA mix chain is elusive and secret.
 
I had the perfect track to try it on which uses heavily amplified guitars, big drums, plenty of ambience which I seem to have needed to compress the hell out of it to stop it sounding too big. The master came out at -12.08dB RMS and True Peak of 2.46dB. My prior mixdown came out at about -10dB RMS and 4.26dB TP. Essentially it pushed the track and compressed it by 2dB on average volume.  So definitely does something even if I don't know what that is.
 
2017/07/12 21:26:26
Jeff Evans
Once you have calibrated your VU meters then they will tell you a lot.  Don't forget if you pull the Drive slider down you are not pushing hard then into an analog console buss.  e.g. cleaner sound.  Same with the Glue control.  Back it down and less compression takes place, e.g. more dynamic mix.  
 
Everything on zero as he says is a good setting too and sounds pretty nice to me.  Then it is just a matter of fine tuning to taste.  
 
If your mix is nicely balanced tone wise you won't need any Bass or treble fiddling much. They do work well though.  
 
Another forum member (on another CLA thread) did not like the sound of the drive control all the way up and I agree on a whole mix it may not be smart.  But then again on just a slightly distorted guitars buss it could be just the ticket to drive them all a tad harder. 
 
This sounds like it could be a nice plug to mix into as well.  It does not replace mastering either.  It is somewhere in between a fully unmastered or pre mastered mix and a fully mastered mix.  It is something that would help you achieve a very loud master later on if that what was you were aiming for.
 
Scheps Parallel Particles is also a great plugin and would be really good say before CLA.  A lot of control over the EQ or tone of your mix followed by CLA.
2017/07/12 21:36:55
interpolated
I feel some of the CLA series are a bit gimmicky although it definite adds something. On zero settings it has different tone as well but I needed to hear it actually do something other than toneshape.
 
I don't think it's a fix it plug-in however it is a big of sonic magic.
 
2017/07/13 05:53:36
Grem
Jeff Evans
 
Scheps Parallel Particles is also a great plugin and would be really good say before CLA.  A lot of control over the EQ or tone of your mix followed by CLA.




Thanks for that tip!! : )
 
When I tried CLA MD, it was with nothing else in the path. Just MixDown. I wanted to see what it was capable of and what it could do on it's own. In fact when I do use any of the CLA Sig plugs, it's the only thing I put on that trk. Exception: I will put Maag EQ after CAL Vocal to give it that "air"! They do work well together.
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