Tried it Larry thks i unistalled clean and know how to install , the thing is that the dLL are here but only the vst 3 get registred ...
I unistll everything , and then started to install all the newbies one by one , erasing the vst 3 dll to force sonar to use em ...it worked
Then i installed an old version i kept (now i remeber why) waveshell 9.6
then some stuff get missing again (F6 and smack attack)
we call em tomorow !...