Um... some things paid for, both in Splat and separately which never got rolled into the CCC, would be lost. The licensing "should be" moot, since it is not a new sale, and the initial installation could be installed on infinite machines as it was. CbB would be a "core" upgrade to Splat, so I can see many users wanting all their stuff back.

This issue unto itself is also moot until the moment those servers (actually) go offline.

Cactus Music
As said over and over- There will be no need for those unlock codes. What purpose would they serve now?
As said over and over the people who would have supplied them are gone. Why should Bandlab even spend 5 minutes worry about the handful of people who will be wanting to install Splat 10 years from now. 
 
The servers are still running and we have been told there are no plans to shut them down. 
We now have a new improved version of what was once Splat so why worry about installing the old version.
We have installers and codes for most of the 3rd party stuff. I'm not sure what would be missing? 
If you didn't get those from Overloud and? ( I forget) you might still want to do that. As I remember all they waned was a screenshot of your Splat "about" screen showing your serial number. 
 
The day they announced Bandlabs take over was the end of me worrying about the future of being able to continue with Cakewalk.
The only people who seem to be still worrying are either paranoid or haven't taken the time to read and follow what has happened. 

 
So... should legacy Cakewalk software users move on now from this forum...?

I've been doing some thinking about what has happened ober the last few months in regards to Sonar - still won't call the best DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab. And while I have the greatest respect to the guys at Bandlab for keeping Sonar alive...there is no way in hell I'd switch from my fully paid Sonar to the freebee. For one, Sonar has worked extremely well for me for years...this is because I always understood that it was almost...almost impossiable to make a Windows product work with every type of PC computer configuration - but from what I'm reading Bandlab have ironed out some of these problems. We'll done, but let's be honest...Meng would have access to some of the best coders going. The Asians, and I live in Oz so I don't have American delusions, but Asian coders are light years ahead of anyone else - except the Russians lol.

The main reason I won't touch the Sonar update is, it's not really free...some have asked how Bandlab make money...well they have some audio interfaces for sale...I should really sit down and do some proper research...I have a research degree and understand research methodology, but I believe their main source of income, like most tech companies without corporeal assets is data mining. Now I've got nothing to hide, and indeed buying software will go the way of the dodo...esp when AI can write software...this happening only yesterday it was reported the yanks I think and the military successfully got an AI to write some software code, but after reading about not being able to turn off their download assistant - yes it's been fixed, but who knows and indeed the terms of Bandlab's sharing site - even I think this is a bridge too far. There are performance issues involved too. These sorts of permanent connections can drain power at the most inopportune moments.

Indeed, if Sonar was truly free now - Meng and Co would offer the product without a tether like Blender. Blender is one of the first software only products that was failing and because individuals loved the software it became open source.

Indeed, if what was left of Cakewalk/Sonar as well as Meng and Co were really looking after it's old client base who purchased 1000s of dollars of software - they'd release that software to us free of constrictions and free of the need to authorize said software. Even if Bandlab gave us a time frame to download and back up the software without restrictions and then wiped their hands...I'd be happy with that.

So how about it Bandlab?

Peace and Love

Deleted so as to not cause anger to whom I addressed.

I give a welfare recipient free food, but the insolent person says, "It's not free.  I had to work for it by picking up the food, exerting energy to move it into my mouth, and then I had to chew it!  So who are you fooling?"

Unbelievable how people think.

BenMMusTech
I've been doing some thinking about what has happened ober the last few months in regards to Sonar - still won't call the best DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab. And while I have the greatest respect to the guys at Bandlab for keeping Sonar alive...there is no way in hell I'd switch from my fully paid Sonar to the freebee. For one, Sonar has worked extremely well for me for years...this is because I always understood that it was almost...almost impossiable to make a Windows product work with every type of PC computer configuration - but from what I'm reading Bandlab have ironed out some of these problems. We'll done, but let's be honest...Meng would have access to some of the best coders going. The Asians, and I live in Oz so I don't have American delusions, but Asian coders are light years ahead of anyone else - except the Russians lol.

The main reason I won't touch the Sonar update is, it's not really free...some have asked how Bandlab make money...well they have some audio interfaces for sale...I should really sit down and do some proper research...I have a research degree and understand research methodology, but I believe their main source of income, like most tech companies without corporeal assets is data mining. Now I've got nothing to hide, and indeed buying software will go the way of the dodo...esp when AI can write software...this happening only yesterday it was reported the yanks I think and the military successfully got an AI to write some software code, but after reading about not being able to turn off their download assistant - yes it's been fixed, but who knows and indeed the terms of Bandlab's sharing site - even I think this is a bridge too far. There are performance issues involved too. These sorts of permanent connections can drain power at the most inopportune moments.

Indeed, if Sonar was truly free now - Meng and Co would offer the product without a tether like Blender. Blender is one of the first software only products that was failing and because individuals loved the software it became open source.

Indeed, if what was left of Cakewalk/Sonar as well as Meng and Co were really looking after it's old client base who purchased 1000s of dollars of software - they'd release that software to us free of constrictions and free of the need to authorize said software. Even if Bandlab gave us a time frame to download and back up the software without restrictions and then wiped their hands...I'd be happy with that.

So how about it Bandlab?

Peace and Love

There's two major flaws in your argument:
 
1. You assume that the BandLab website & Cakewalk are the only revenue stream. Do some research (heck, even read some of the other posts here) and you'll realise this isn't the case. Meng has other companies that fund the Cakewalk & BandLab ventures. And in any case, BandLab has still to put all the added Cakewalk extras on sale (z3ta 2, Rapture Pro, ProChannels etc) to add to the income.
 
2. The EU's new GDPR regulations affect anyone who runs a global web-based service, regardless of where they are based - unless of course, they can explicitly exclude EU citizens (which of course BandLab doesn't). BandLab are pretty clear they don't mine and or/share your information with anyone, and given the strictness of the new regulations I seriously doubt they're doing it on the sly.
 
M.

Toddskins

BenMMusTech
I've been doing some thinking about what has happened ober the last few months in regards to Sonar - still won't call the best DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab. And while I have the greatest respect to the guys at Bandlab for keeping Sonar alive...there is no way in hell I'd switch from my fully paid Sonar to the freebee. For one, Sonar has worked extremely well for me for years...this is because I always understood that it was almost...almost impossiable to make a Windows product work with every type of PC computer configuration - but from what I'm reading Bandlab have ironed out some of these problems. We'll done, but let's be honest...Meng would have access to some of the best coders going. The Asians, and I live in Oz so I don't have American delusions, but Asian coders are light years ahead of anyone else - except the Russians lol.

The main reason I won't touch the Sonar update is, it's not really free...some have asked how Bandlab make money...well they have some audio interfaces for sale...I should really sit down and do some proper research...I have a research degree and understand research methodology, but I believe their main source of income, like most tech companies without corporeal assets is data mining. Now I've got nothing to hide, and indeed buying software will go the way of the dodo...esp when AI can write software...this happening only yesterday it was reported the yanks I think and the military successfully got an AI to write some software code, but after reading about not being able to turn off their download assistant - yes it's been fixed, but who knows and indeed the terms of Bandlab's sharing site - even I think this is a bridge too far. There are performance issues involved too. These sorts of permanent connections can drain power at the most inopportune moments.

Indeed, if Sonar was truly free now - Meng and Co would offer the product without a tether like Blender. Blender is one of the first software only products that was failing and because individuals loved the software it became open source.

Indeed, if what was left of Cakewalk/Sonar as well as Meng and Co were really looking after it's old client base who purchased 1000s of dollars of software - they'd release that software to us free of constrictions and free of the need to authorize said software. Even if Bandlab gave us a time frame to download and back up the software without restrictions and then wiped their hands...I'd be happy with that.

So how about it Bandlab?

Peace and Love

 
Peace and Love?  


I make a motion:  3 strikes = your out.
 
Anybody who whines more than once, gets a strike.  Starting with this whiner.

This is not whining...I've stated a fact - the software was not free, whoever downloaded the product payed for the product via their personal data. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the 'error' where you couldn't get rid of the download assistant wasn't an error, it was a back door to keep mining data. Look I don't have a problem with this - more fool them, the people who stood at the well and were told they could drink free so long as the owner of the well was allowed access to your ethereal self :)...so not a whiner. All I said was I don't want this new version of Sonar because having to be tethered to Bandlab either in the open or in secret can cause performance issues. And these days, faffing about with new versions of Sonar when my Sonar works fine is silly. I create at a phenomenal pace, and even a day where my DAW is off-line is a waste of my time and it is time that I will never get back. That's where my concern is. And on top of that, I purchased my software many times over...and all I want to do, and I suspect others would like this too...is to part ways.

Again, I have nothing but the deepest respect for Bandlab and what they've done, but let's not be a bunch of jelly livered Nancy lightfoots and not callout a boondoggle when Bandlab have delivered a boondoggle. Again, I don't care per se...until we can replace the capitalist system, and not with socialism or fascism or communism...then people and companies need to make money. I was just trying to push a point, 'hey don't forget about us, who paid for software and are happy with our mature DAW product, now where are the keys?' There may even be TOS violations between Gibson and owners of the paid version of Sonar. Note not Bandlab, because as they've rightly pointed out - they've brought the asset and it's a new set of TOS.

In fact, with the tone of your language in your Toddskins...it's you who are skirting the TOS on this forum. This is because of the aggressive nature of the response which vears close to fascism. Whining, even though I wasn't and I deserve to be banned...that's fascism. You wouldn't like me, when I'm angry Toddskins ;). I'm not like everybody else, particularly if you have an image of a meek and mild over educated nerd burger...i eat not only nerd burgers for breakfast...and I also eat so called athletic alpha jocks too.

Please note I speaking in metaphors, and am not advocating any sort of abuse or indeed abuse of this forums TOS.

Peace and Love

#1 WHAT personal data? Your email address? Wow?
#2 Bandlab does NOT have to give us ANYTHING. Why is it so hard for some to understand that? They could have just gone on their merry way with what they are doing. Jeeeezzzzz!
 

BenMMusTech
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the 'error' where you couldn't get rid of the download assistant wasn't an error, it was a back door to keep mining data.

I'd go so far as to consider that a defamatory statement. You're crossing a line here, you are accusing BandLab of breaking the law. From what I've seen so far, they are doing their best to build up a good reputation - a well deserved one, so it looks to me.

stratman70
#1 WHAT personal data? Your email address? Wow?
#2 Bandlab does NOT have to give us ANYTHING. Why is it so hard for some to understand that? They could have just gone on their merry way with what they are doing. Jeeeezzzzz!
 

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined. But why I'm being attacked is beyond me, because if you read both my responses to this post - then you would know that I said this was between Bandlab and new Sonar users via the terms of conditions. I DON'T have a problem with this, although we're heading to a situation because of Facebook this sort of data mining will have to be included in the TOS.

Again...I get it, Bandlab need to make money, and to say naively that even only your email address isn't worth buying the shell asset of Sonar, which was probably brought at a bargin basement price, which could then be flipped via the data you could mine...from let's say a million new users (estimate I've no idea)...well that's naive. Image what you could make, if say you had access to those million users and a months worth of clicks? It would have to be quite a lot if you look at data mining and digital advertising streams...and this makes sense, because it's the only way a company with seemingly no corporeal assets could give away Sonar for free.

Again, to the guys a Bandlab...I mean no disrespect, but I do believe we have a right to discuss this. I've said a number of times that I understand what the situation is and that we still live in a capitalist system, and so Bandlab need to make money - I was just trying to make the point, that there are those of us that don't need your Sonar update at this stage because we're professionals and for the most part Sonar was a mature product that worked because we brought computers that were designed for audio - so the issues that plagued users in the past were because of too many PC hardware configurations. Meaning that until Windows breaks the last official paid Sonar version...we're happy because it's about making music and not the continuous update cycle. We just want our keys, so we can be on our merry way. I've downloaded and have my many thousands of dollars Cakewalk Software products...now like others, we would like the keys to those products for peace of mind.

And to all the fascists who don't seem to read my posts properly, and accuse me of being ungrateful...get a grip and read my posts properly. I haven't attacked the new Sonar, I haven't attacked Bandlab or Meng, I haven't even attacked their business model...I've simply stated that the product isn't for me, which isn't even about data mining...its about creativity. I mean, why would I bother upgrading my working DAW, where it's possible I would have to spend a day faffing about to get all my previous bits and pieces to work in a new Sonar which has no benefits for me. Then on top of that, because Sonar in the background could be used as a backdoor into my machine...performance is everything to me. Again, it's fine if you make the music of children, which is the current paradigm...but most of my compositions have over 50 tracks of 64bit fp audio at 48khz and sometimes 96khz...then there are the 20 odd busses and aux tracks...I can freeze ordinary tracks...i can even print the aux tracks, but it's easier to have these tracks free. I also like to mix and master at the same time. Any background processes that Sonar maybe conducting could create performance headaches. Again these are the reasons I don't need this new Sonar product. But all of us who own Sonar proper, I suspect would like our keys. I don't even need the bits that came with Sonar, except in reality the adaptive limiter and Addictive Drums and some of the legacy stuff for old works. The adaptive limiter because even though I have the better L16 from Wave's, Wave's in their stupidity keep the bit depth switched on...i create 64 bit FP masters.

Anyway, again sorry to Meng and Bandlab if I've caused offense.

Ben
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