I'd go so far as to consider that a defamatory statement. You're crossing a line here, you are accusing BandLab of breaking the law. From what I've seen so far, they are doing their best to build up a good reputation - a well deserved one, so it looks to me.


Actually, if and I should have perhaps if into the above statement, but if Bandlab have done this...then they haven't broken the law...they would be within their rights to do so, because in the ethereal digital world...they're practically no rules. This is because The Internet isn't governed by any one goverment...sure the Chinese can sensor The Internet, but they wern't very successful because of the Chinese people I knew, knew ways around this censorship...and the Americans are trying to create blocks and ways to reel in data mining because of Facebook...but The Internet is still more or less the wild west and people should stop being so naive. To paraphrase John Lennon...because of the think and the ordinary who don't understand the tools - they're ruining it for the rest of us'.

Again, let's make this clear...I thank Bandlab for trying something new, with both Sonar and even their attempt a new music industry paradigm - however, at this stage all I want and suspect others may too is the keys to what we've paid for.

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BenMMusTech

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined.

I dunno, I don't have a dog in this fight. Download this stuff or don't, I don't care. But the above is straight up nonsense.

BenMMusTech
Actually, if and I should have perhaps if into the above statement, but if Bandlab have done this...then they haven't broken the law...they would be within their rights to do so, because in the ethereal digital world...they're practically no rules.

 
Errm... no! Just because it's hard (or even "practically" impossible) to enforce the laws, doesn't mean they don't exist. In many countries there are laws in place to protect privacy. Whether or not you're "OK" with those laws being broken, doesn't change the fact that you made this accusation without providing any evidence other than your gut feeling! That's called defamation, and there's no way around it.

BenMMusTech
This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...

Guess not but that is OK.
 

BenMMusTech
if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible.

This may or may not be true but has nothing to do with how BandLab Assistant works. BA does not have to be running all the time. The only time BA is needed is CbB activation. Not only can BA be shut down on demand or prevented from running on start up, there is no requirement to have the PC attached to the internet once CbB is activated.
 
 

BenMMusTech
 I'm being attacked is beyond me, because if you read both my responses to this post - then you would know that I said this was between Bandlab and new Sonar users via the terms of conditions.

My post is not a personal attack, just a few corrections regarding errors in your posts. In short, BandLab requires no more information about a user than Cakewalk did. BandLab Assistant is no more intrusive than Cakewalk Command Center.
 

BenMMusTech
Bandlab need to make money, and to say naively that even only your email address isn't worth buying the shell asset of Sonar, which was probably brought at a bargin basement price, which could then be flipped via the data you could mine...from let's say a million new users (estimate I've no idea)...well that's naive. Image what you could make, if say you had access to those million users and a months worth of clicks? It would have to be quite a lot if you look at data mining and digital advertising streams...and this makes sense, because it's the only way a company with seemingly no corporeal assets could give away Sonar for free.

Aside from the observation that BandLab is a for profit company, the rest of this is speculation. Nothing the company has said or done supports this speculation. Not to say one does not have a right to speculate but without any facts to back up it up, this is not a particularly useful exercise.

John T

BenMMusTech

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined.

I dunno, I don't have a dog in this fight. Download this stuff or don't, I don't care. But the above is straight up nonsense.

"any data on your computer will be accessible" . . . ? Come on, surely no one believes this is possible from the download assistant. For those that don't have trust, just turn it off. If you don't know how to turn it off, it's like driving without a license, you shouldn't be driving, but you are.
 
Not sure how this thread got morphed into this, anyways . . . didn't they say the latest release turned the download assistant startup automation to "off" instead of always being on. An innocent programming mistake.

John T

BenMMusTech

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined.

I dunno, I don't have a dog in this fight. Download this stuff or don't, I don't care. But the above is straight up nonsense.

Yes, that is pretty much it in a nutshell. The part that bothers me is when a user is factually wrong.

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John T

BenMMusTech

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined.

I dunno, I don't have a dog in this fight. Download this stuff or don't, I don't care. But the above is straight up nonsense.

Yes, that is pretty much it in a nutshell. The part that bothers me is when a user is factually wrong.

You know me Steve, you've listened to my music. Yes, I should have put into my post I was speculating...but to me it is the only way for a company like Bandlab to make money. And again this doesn't bother me.
 
Personally, I had a look at Bandlabs site a couple of weeks ago and after reading someones post here in Cake land on the topic of using the Bandlab as a music sharing site...I wasn't impressed. I'm not going to be personal here in regards to Bandlabs site, but it was not easy on the eye, and I have no use for whatever it is they're offering. And that's really the problem for me...what is Bandlad and what is it offering? Yes, supposedly it's a collaborative Facebook type service...something I don't need, I am a whole band and a whole orchestra...after 32 years of being in music, I don't have many peers anymore, and most people would just get in my way https://soundcloud.com/aaudiomystiks/nights-in-white-satin (sorry for link, but otherwise I will get told I am a mad egotist) What really made me suspicious was the terms of service over at Bandlab and the ownership of files placed on the site for sharing. I perhaps should check soundclouds and youtubes...but I have my own site so it wouldn't be hard to transfer all my content off any sharing platform. 
 
Look mea culpa for perhaps going off topic, but for some of us...I'm not sure how many, but I have seen quite a few posts about this, but for some us...professionals and artists like myself...we just want our keys to the software we've paid 1000s of dollars for so we have peace of mind. People like us, have no use for cut-down versions of Sonar, and if we have to spend half a day or a day faffing about to reconnect the bits of Sonar that we paid for, so that we can use these tools in the cut-down version of Sonar to make it a full version of Sonar again and for new features we and bug fixes that we don't need..ugh what a nightmare.
 
Perhaps I should be more aware, that almost everyone cannot jump the tracks like I can...I will talk about 10 topics, because I can see the links. My main point was and still is, I don't trust this freeware version of Sonar. It doesn't matter if there is or isn't back door, for data mining any software that you can't turn off the teather (yes it's been fixed) is deeply disturbing in my mind. Performance is paramount, I don't want any crazy background processes going on when I am working. Even though my gaming laptop has 32 gig of ram and an SSD drive. And again, I worked out sometime ago that our DAWs had reached the maturity stage within the developmental cycle. I don't need or want another version of Sonar...well until Windows breaks Sonar, but in reality I will probably be dead or a new computing paradigm will emerge before then. I've still got Sonar 6 through to Platinum, I probably still have version 2 somewhere too. I'm not sure about version 2, but version 6 still works fine...so I doubt I need to worry about a new Sonar anytime soon. What would make me happy is my keys, because here is another thing...because I do keep an eye on whats going on here, but the post where it states that this user forum will be kept online until or it will be archived. Meaning we are going to have to faff about eventually on the Bandlab site to authorize what we already own at some point in time in the near future. I have all my software backed up...twice I think, Meng and Co have basically said they don't support Platinum anymore - another post on this forum, so therefore they should just give us our keys. But mea culpa for upsetting any Steve. Probably a bit sleepy...been waking at five in more for the last few days.
 
And for the other poster who quoted me saying that this was my 'last' comment on the matter - I meant to the poster who was behaving like a fascist. 
 
Ben
 
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The idea that a download assistant can access any data on your computer is absolute unadulterated poppycock and folderol. If that were the case then any app that connects to the internet could do the same, including the browser you use to access the internet. When you use a browser to download something, are you paranoid about it accessing your emails and personal files as well? I'm guessing not, otherwise you would have never downloaded anything, ever. 

BenMMusTech
You know me Steve, you've listened to my music. Yes, I should have put into my post I was speculating...but to me it is the only way for a company like Bandlab to make money. And again this doesn't bother me.

This has nothing to do with personalities or music. It has everything to do with misinformation. The only reason I posted in this thread was to correct your false statements and suggest you may be misguided in your speculation about their business. Rather than discuss generalities please

BenMMusTech
...sit down and do some proper research...I have a research degree and understand research methodology, but I believe their main source of income, like most tech companies without corporeal assets is data mining.

You know about Swee Lee, Harmony Guitars, part interest in Rolling Stone and MONO Creators right? Not to mention Meng's posts on this forum. This should temper some of the speculation. Please do the research.
 
 

BenMMusTech
 
after 32 years of being in music, I don't have many peers anymore, and most people would just get in my way  

 

BenMMusTech
 
I have a research degree and understand research methodology
 

Maybe you should add that to your sig, it might help to impress people, because as it stands you don't seem to be doing to well