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2015/02/25 14:16:18
Beepster
williamcopper
Over-zealous snap/quantize is another feature of X series that bothers me.  Just like you: I want a quantize sometimes, but I also want to cut a specific range and paste at a specific point.   Instead of "paste", using "paste special" works better for most purposes.  But you have to mouse up to the menu, or set and remember a new key command to get that option by default.




Turn off Snap (press N) or Change your Snap Resolution. You can also set the Snap "magnetic strength" lower in Preferences (press Shift + N to open snap preferences).
2015/02/25 14:21:40
bapu
Beepster
williamcopper
Over-zealous snap/quantize is another feature of X series that bothers me.  Just like you: I want a quantize sometimes, but I also want to cut a specific range and paste at a specific point.   Instead of "paste", using "paste special" works better for most purposes.  But you have to mouse up to the menu, or set and remember a new key command to get that option by default.




Turn off Snap (press N) or Change your Snap Resolution. You can also set the Snap "magnetic strength" lower in Preferences (press Shift + N to open snap preferences).


Beeps beat me to it.
2015/02/25 14:36:33
pentimentosound
I guess those are the "closest answers" regarding audio quantize. If that's available now, I've never heard of it/used it. I would bet on the Snap settings. You can right click on the Snap button (in it's tool bar) and go right to Snap settings or in Preferences under Snap to Grid. I'd check those settings first before deciding on another DAW.
 
Michael
edit****  I had read about it , in Sonar Power, but never used Audio Quantize. At the time it seemed uninteresting, now I can think of a use for it.
 
2015/02/25 14:48:00
williamcopper
Thanks.  Don't know about the OP, but the notion of "magnetic quantize" for a mouse click seems kind of pointless.  In sonar 5, I constantly turned on and off quantize, probably hundreds of times in a 3-4 hour input session, in the PRV.  It was right there in the view, a short mouse move away, so I never even felt the need to hunt up a key command.  But getting used to the "N" shortcut will probably come in time ...
 
2015/02/25 15:10:46
Beepster
williamcopper
Thanks.  Don't know about the OP, but the notion of "magnetic quantize" for a mouse click seems kind of pointless.  In sonar 5, I constantly turned on and off quantize, probably hundreds of times in a 3-4 hour input session, in the PRV.  It was right there in the view, a short mouse move away, so I never even felt the need to hunt up a key command.  But getting used to the "N" shortcut will probably come in time ...
 



There IS a Snap area in the PRV. It's the little blue (if on) grid in the upper right corner. Bonus: You can set up your PRV Snap resolution for MIDI differently than the Track View PRV by using that.
 
Also I'm pretty sure you can change snap res using the HUD (the pop up tools bars... press T).
 
Seems to me you just need to spend some time familiarizing yourself with how Sonar works these days. It is very different than before. Go through the tutorials at the start of the manual then click through to more advanced topics when you are done. The turorials take like 20 minutes for a seasoned user to do.
 
This is what we refer to as "pilot error".
2015/02/25 15:14:54
Beepster
Also I HIGHLY recommend Karl Rose's SWA video series on X2/X3. It goes on sale from time to time. Snag it and it'll show you where pretty much everything is.
2015/02/25 15:15:26
NeckHumbucker
Thank you again. I'll look at the snap/magnetic settings.
 
In my case, turning off snap completely is not an option, because I want it to snap. Say, I have an audio clip that I sliced somewhere between beats, and I want to copy it a few more times else where in the timeline. In Sonar 6, I'd press ctrl and click on the clip and move the mouse, and I can visually see while I am dragging, it snaps to same spot between the beats in every bar I am dragging over (given snap set to one measure). In X3, it doesn't snap completely, it looks like it snapped, but when I wiggle the mouse it changes its snap location.
This is very frustrating, because I don't feel confident that it snapped where I'd think it should. then I go to every clip I copied and check their starting point, and they are all over the place. 
 
2015/02/25 15:22:00
Beepster
NeckHumbucker
Thank you again. I'll look at the snap/magnetic settings.
 
In my case, turning off snap completely is not an option, because I want it to snap. Say, I have an audio clip that I sliced somewhere between beats, and I want to copy it a few more times else where in the timeline. In Sonar 6, I'd press ctrl and click on the clip and move the mouse, and I can visually see while I am dragging, it snaps to same spot between the beats in every bar I am dragging over (given snap set to one measure). In X3, it doesn't snap completely, it looks like it snapped, but when I wiggle the mouse it changes its snap location.
This is very frustrating, because I don't feel confident that it snapped where I'd think it should. then I go to every clip I copied and check their starting point, and they are all over the place. 
 




I'm not sure what you mean. If you have placed it where you want why are you wiggling the mouse with the button still pressed?
 
Also if things seem to be snapping in weird place check to makesure you do not have snap set to "Landmarks" and or check whether you have it set to Move To or Move By.
 
Snap is actually kind of complex beyond the basic functionality. Once you get into those other Snap modes things can get a little weird if you don't know what's up. Take a good look at the Snap Preferences dialog as well (where the magnetic strength is set). There's a bunch of other cool (or not so cool if it is set wrong) stuff in there that controls snapping.
 
Cheers.
2015/02/25 15:25:32
Beepster
Oh and this may be obvious but you gotta watch your selections using Ctrl. Sometimes you hang on to previous selections so when you do something with your new selection the old ones get moved to.
 
I am CONSTANTLY hitting Ctrl + Shift + A to be CERTAIN nothing else is selected as I work. I absolutely hate when I accidently screw something up because I neglected to clear previous selections.
 
Probably not your issue but perhaps so I think I'd mention it.
 
2015/02/25 16:28:47
NeckHumbucker
Thanks Beepster. 
 
To your question about wiggling: because it wiggles tiny bit left or right, and I can't be sure which one is the right one. In Sonar 6, it doesn't wiggle with mouse, but jumps to prior or next bar. 
 
"Landmark" could be it. I use many markers, assume those would count as landmarks.
 
Oh yes, I hate too when previously selected stuff is moved too. I also hate when previously selected tracks get deleted. You know the blue marker on track title.
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