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2015/08/09 11:56:18
brundlefly
bapu
Let's say drumpler A has 20 velocity layers for their snare but drumpler B only has 15......
 
I'm not sure just mapping notes will be enough especially if the MIDI was written for drumpler A.
 

 
For this and other reasons, I wouldn't spend too much time trying to map one software's MIDI patterns to another. If the loops were recorded by a drummer playing the synth live using an e-drum controller, the velocities are going to be tailored to that synth's velocity response and even the particular timbre of the kit pieces that were being played at the time.
 
In the particular case of AD2, this synth is so good and flexible that I can't think why you would want to spend precious creative time porting its MIDI patterns (whether bundled, 3rd-party, or of your own composition) to another instrument. Kick and snare is one thing, but complex hi-hat, ride and tom patterns are unlikely to sound good, (much less better) on another synth without a lot of tweaking. And there are always going to be some things that just won't translate for instruments that have rolls/paradiddles/flams built into the programming or samples.
 
EDIT: I see I mis-interpreted which direction you're porting, but the same applies to some extent.
2015/08/09 12:26:14
Beepster
I have been mulling this over all morning and poking at the project (as I've been prattling on about other stuff here on the forum). I woke up and the solution was clear to me...
 
I was just going to create my own map inside AD2 based on the performance and then tweak it a bit to make any MIDI editing I do more convenient (like I'd remap all the snare and hi hat artics to all be bunched together... crap like that).
 
However, although it is indeed a hit heavy MIDI clip it is not a particularly complex clip articulation-wise. So I am defaulting to simply using the default AD2 MIDI map and within PRV just dragging the rows of notes to where they need to be (so they will trigger the kit piece I want).
 
In this particular situation, since there are really only under a dozen distinct notes in the clip (repeated many times of course) and many of the notes are already mapped correctly I think this will actually result in less work and headache than creating my own map or even downloading, transferring and installing a custom map (which I may need to futz with anyway).
 
Of course this is only the current plan and for other more complex material I will want to try other options so this is still an open general thread and query.
 
All ideas help me (if not immediately then in the future) and it's a good online archive for folks trying to do wimilar stuff.
 
Awesome. I'll update once I get this sorted (if at all but it's pretty simple and I've done this particular approach bfore).
 
Cheers.
2015/08/09 12:52:23
Beepster
Ah yes... of course there has to be something stupid.
 
AD2 and Sonar do not seem to share a common middle C.
 
So C1 in AD2 = C3 in Sonar.
 
Fookin' annoying crap. I know this is common and there are various ways to fix these things between programs but good cripes... with all the geniuses who came up with the MIDI standards you'd figure Middle C would ALWAYS be middle C. Kind of the simplest concept in music.
 
Yeesh.
 
No problem. Just gotta keep track of a two octave discrepancy. Just a whinge about silliness that should not be.
 
Cheers.
2015/08/09 13:23:52
scook
The MIDI numbers are the same. SONAR allows you to adjust what the numbers represent http://www.cakewalk.com/D...age=3&help=0x22B06
2015/08/09 13:28:00
Tunerman
To piano tuners, and all pianos,  Middle C = C4
So I really get confused....
2015/08/09 13:44:09
Beepster
scook
The MIDI numbers are the same. SONAR allows you to adjust what the numbers represent http://www.cakewalk.com/D...age=3&help=0x22B06




Without even reading that just your post made something massive click for me. I know about the various ways to much around with what note outputs at which octave (on track level or in prefs... but now I'm wondering if this can be set per project... but I will reserach that later and is probably covered in your link).
 
Thing is for this project if I changed that globally then other pieces that already match wouldn't any more. This is kind of weird actually so maybe there was already settings messed with in the original project (this is not my file).
 
Anyway... educational to ponder. I'm making headway and learning stuff by forcing myself to do this all manually in PRV so you know... hurting myself to expand my knowledge and scooping up all sorts of cool tips here.
 
You rock, scook... as do the rest of you. Every day I learn new ways to mangle shiz up in this massive software.
 
Hopefully it's not annoying for the forum. I look at it as adding to the online p2p database for others searching for solutions.
 
Back to it.
 
Cheeers!!!
2015/08/09 13:48:39
Beepster
Tunerman
To piano tuners, and all pianos,  Middle C = C4
So I really get confused....




Interesting tidbit (which I think I recall hearing abotu before). It also reminded me of an interesting piano tuner fellow I used to occasionally chat with at my local pub. He was blind and felt his way around for the pegs.
 
And now I'm recalling another dude I once met who did pipe tuning/refitting/restoration for those massive church pipe organs. Only met him once. He was ultra weird but damn was it cool hearing about that craft.
 
Cheers.
2015/08/09 14:04:03
BobF
Beepster
You rock, scook ...
 
 
Yes he does.  I don't think he's human 
 
Beepster
Hopefully it's not annoying for the forum. I look at it as adding to the online p2p database for others searching for solutions.
 
Back to it.
 
Cheeers!!!




I always read these threads of yours and end up learning something new.  So no annoyance here! 
2015/08/09 14:35:48
Beepster
BobF
I always read these threads of yours and end up learning something new.  So no annoyance here! 




Well that's good... and you've been doing this a lot longer than I have. I think maybe I work in a weird way so I asked more obscure stuff (or maybe not... IDK). I certainly have a vested interest in getting the most out of this software and I realized a couple years ago it's better to ask about stuff before even considering dropping extra money on something else (or worst of all getting frustrated and not accomplishing something).
 
As far as scook... I can assure you he is indeed very human. Great guy. He's just mastered the art of being efficient and concise with his answers/posts. One skill I am sorely lacking in. lulz
 
He also seems to have a massive collection of documention and materials about Cake stuff and has it at the ready. I've been collecting quite a bit of material myself and have a special folder on my laptop for it all (and bookmarks in my browser) but I'm a newb and not nearly as organized.
 
 
2015/08/09 14:35:48
Beepster
Also my laptop's left click double triggers causing unwanted...
 
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