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2015/08/05 13:39:39
Beepster
joeb1cannoli
 I appreciate everyone's input. It looks like I'm going the one long project route. 
 Thanks for pointing out what a laborious day I'm gonna have. Being of Italian heritage,I'm gonna have to feed them all too. It's a good thing we love this stuff so much.   




That is actually a great idea. The hardest part of recording a lot of the time is the bloody musicians and keeping them around, happy and focused.
 
They start getting hungry or bored or (if you have drunks/drug weirdos in the band) jonesing one (or all) of them try to scurry off to do whatever. Then you have down time, the other members start getting their own little itches, someone else wanders off and the original person who left comes back but you still can't do anything because now someone ELSE is gone. Even if it's 10-15 minutes here, there or everywhere you can lose half a day easily.
 
A ton of finger food, sandwiches and maybe a bigger meal later on (nothing too heavy so everyone gets burnt out wants to take a nap), a steady stream of coffee/tea/pop/juice, a fridge full of beer (but no hard stuff and no GUZZLING), a baggie of chronic for those who partake and working crapper leaves no real excuse for anyone to bail.
 
Really to me getting everything set up and ready to go was a huge pain because I ran other bands out of my room so I could not leave things set up. If I did all that work setting up (and then tearing down) and ended up only getting a few good tracks down because people were constantly wandering off or moaning it would really tick me off.
 
It's like all of a sudden everyone's a rock star and need to be pampered lest you lose them to distractions.
 
Me? I just needed a bag of tall boys, a full pack of smokes and I could go all day. The music was my food. If anything eating would burn me out.
 
I'm a spazz though.
2015/08/05 13:45:44
Doktor Avalanche
Beepster
That is actually a great idea. The hardest part of recording a lot of the time is the bloody musicians and keeping them around, happy and focused.
 
They start getting hungry or bored or (if you have drunks/drug weirdos in the band) jonesing one (or all) of them try to scurry off to do whatever. Then you have down time, the other members start getting their own little itches, someone else wanders off and the original person who left comes back but you still can't do anything because now someone ELSE is gone. Even if it's 10-15 minutes here, there or everywhere you can lose half a day easily.
 
A ton of finger food, sandwiches and maybe a bigger meal later on (nothing too heavy so everyone gets burnt out wants to take a nap), a steady stream of coffee/tea/pop/juice, a fridge full of beer (but no hard stuff and no GUZZLING), a baggie of chronic for those who partake and working crapper leaves no real excuse for anyone to bail.
 
Really to me getting everything set up and ready to go was a huge pain because I ran other bands out of my room so I could not leave things set up. If I did all that work setting up (and then tearing down) and ended up only getting a few good tracks down because people were constantly wandering off or moaning it would really tick me off.
 
It's like all of a sudden everyone's a rock star and need to be pampered lest you lose them to distractions.
 
Me? I just needed a bag of tall boys, a full pack of smokes and I could go all day. The music was my food. If anything eating would burn me out.
 
I'm a spazz though.




I feel like I could have written this myself...  This is exactly right.
The only thing I would add is getting them to turn up on time is more or less completely impossible. If you tell them to turn up at midday, they will all start piling in around 2pm and recording will start at 3pm, that's if they haven't double booked an appointment with the dentist.
2015/08/05 14:19:05
Beepster
Doktor Avalanche
 
I feel like I could have written this myself...  This is exactly right.
The only thing I would add is getting them to turn up on time is more or less completely impossible. If you tell them to turn up at midday, they will all start piling in around 2pm and recording will start at 3pm, that's if they haven't double booked an appointment with the dentist.




That's why on recording day I would aim for a sunday (or whenever nobody was at their jobs) and depending on the band try to "start" around 10am or as early as I could push them into. The first hour is usually totally lost to people just showing up. The next hour would be everyone mucking around, which is fine... get your coffees, shoot the pizz and I could interject little bits of stuff to individual members or the group as a whole like "I want to get this this and this done today" and sidebars like "okay so I want you to try this when I'm doing this" and maybe little small noodle sessions to work out specific parts while others were doing their own thing. Also do little mic level checks. Essentially as everyone's having a laff I'd zip around sorting things out with everyone and the gear.
 
Then a clap of the hands, everyone with their rig on and ready to go and you can get a good hour or so session in before everyone wants to take a break. Take 30, everyone does their nature calls, lines up a few more beverages or has a snack, more sidebars for things to be done, double check levels and back at it.
 
Rinse repeat until people start having to leave. Then I'd usually hang on to whoever was sticking around for as long as possible to work on other stuff for next time or do any overdubs or just hang out.
 
I kind of really enjoyed that life and want it again but more structured/less frantic on my end. The thing with my rooms was everything always had to be ripped down quickly, they weren't the greatest set up gear/room sound-wise, I didn't really know WTF I was doing (as far as recording stuff) and I always had to cram it in when I wasn't working (which was a LOT).
 
Now that I've had about five years off of all that to think, learn and calm the frack down I think I could run a really epic demo studio. That's one of my goals now. Back to what I was doing before but better and without being completely tied to daytime obligations.
 
Meh... may never happen but it's a nice thought.
2015/08/05 15:12:26
Sanderxpander
It sounds to me like you guys need to hire me :p
I show up on time and am always prepared, bring all my own gear down to good quality DIs and my own coffee and lunch.

Seriously, are these professionals we're talking about? If so I'm pretty happy with the ones I work with!
2015/08/05 15:16:08
Doktor Avalanche
Sanderxpander
Seriously, are these professionals we're talking about? If so I'm pretty happy with the ones I work with!



Nope.... "rockstars" 
2015/08/05 15:18:51
Doktor Avalanche
Oh gawd bringing back memories now...
 
I worked in a professional studio with a famous band who's lead singer (and the only band member left more or less) disappeared into the moors for about 5 days during recording. That was really expensive for the record company.... Still we got to play plenty of pool and snooker.
 
2015/08/05 15:23:07
Beepster
Sanderxpander
It sounds to me like you guys need to hire me :p
I show up on time and am always prepared, bring all my own gear down to good quality DIs and my own coffee and lunch.

Seriously, are these professionals we're talking about? If so I'm pretty happy with the ones I work with!



Punkers, metalheads and various other miscreants.
 
I did work with semi casual "pros" near the end and it certainly made things easier but they were very busy people so I only really had access to them on occasion. Loved that particular band. Well I loved all the bands but they were, in general, the easiest to work with.
 
The punk stuff however really was my most important and lasting musical contribution to the world as of this writing. I wasn't even the button pusher in that act though and it was still a bear to deal with.
2015/08/05 15:23:51
Beepster
And I'd totally jam with you, Sander. You're an interesting fellow.
 
2015/08/05 21:40:17
joeb1cannoli
 Thankfully it's my own band and we're all seasoned professionals. 
 Kinda ironic Beepster, It's scheduled for 10:00 Sunday morning. 
   I'm amazed at how time consuming it is setting up to record 16 tracks at once. It's been pretty tedious just setting up the audio interface routing.
     I have an old Furman HDS6 headphone distribution system that I'm setting up so we can have separate mixes. Anyone familiar with the Focusrite pro40 software knows how mind numbing that can be.
  Then it's off to setup a template in Sonar. I hope one of the Sonar updates includes renaming the audio interface input names. 
   The upside is, once I get it all done and save the templates, I'll never have to do it again.
 
   Thanks again to everyone for your help. This forum is the best.
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