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2015/07/27 12:02:00
afatica
Hello all, I am having latency issues using AD2.  When I use my Motif or QSR there is no latency when recording midi.  However, when I try to record or play AD2, there is a delay between when I hit the note and the time the sound comes out.  I tried going into record to see if I just needed to be in record mode but there was no change.
Any help would be appreciated.
I did a recording last week with no such issues, but now something has changed
 
Thanks,
Art
2015/07/27 13:26:45
Beagle
What exactly do you mean by "when I try to record or play AD2"? 
 
what are you using to trigger the sounds so that you're getting latency?
 
I also don't understand what you mean by trying to "go into record to see if needed to be in record mode."
 
 
if you're trying to record the output of AD2 by arming a track and trying to click on AD2's interface, that won't work.  none of the drum software is designed to be recording a triggered audition (clicking on the kit pieces are for auditioning sounds only).
 
you said you don't have latency recording MIDI using your motif, but you do when trying to record AD2 - but you didn't say HOW you're triggering AD2 - it is also triggered by MIDI, so you need a MIDI controller of some kind to trigger the kit sounds, or you need to use premade MIDI loops, or you can create them yourself in PRV.  but it's not clear what you're trying to do from your description.
2015/07/27 14:34:37
afatica
To be more clear, whenever I try to trigger AD2 using my Motif keyboard which is what I always use to create midi tracks, the sound coming out of Sonar is delayed, latency. When I use the Motif keyboard to trigger notes or sounds out of the Motif or QSR, there is no delay in hearing the note. This holds true whether I am recording the note or just playing the notes to figure out what I want to record.
So, hardware synth are fine, soft synth produce a delayed sound.
Thanks,
Art
2015/07/27 14:37:26
afatica
And when I say trying to record, I thought perhaps that if I were actually recording the midi notes, perhaps the delay issue would be resolved in that mode, but it makes no difference whether I just play the midi notes or play them while trying to also record the midi notes.
2015/07/27 14:42:14
Lynn
This sounds like a latency issue with your sound card.  Try lowering the latencey to 256k or 128k to see if it continues.
2015/07/27 14:44:24
Beagle
afatica
To be more clear, whenever I try to trigger AD2 using my Motif keyboard which is what I always use to create midi tracks, the sound coming out of Sonar is delayed, latency. When I use the Motif keyboard to trigger notes or sounds out of the Motif or QSR, there is no delay in hearing the note. This holds true whether I am recording the note or just playing the notes to figure out what I want to record.
So, hardware synth are fine, soft synth produce a delayed sound.
Thanks,
Art

ok, that is very important - sounds coming directly from the motif are AUDIO direct out from the LINE outputs, using MIDI to trigger a softsynth (drums in this case) require going through the soundcard, converting to digital, into the computer, into sonar and then back to the soundcard converting back to analog from digital so you can hear it.
 
this is based on several things, but the main thing you need to control is the buffers used by your soundcard.  using a focusrite sapphire pro you SHOULD be able to reduce your buffers in the focusrite audio settings to 64 or 128 buffers which should give you around 15msec round trip latency, which is not sufficient to cause you problems between when you touch a note on the motif and when you hear it.
 
reduce your hardware buffers in the focusrite software.  you can do this by clicking on the ASIO button in the audio soundcard (in PREFERENCES in SONAR) or if you've exited Sonar, you can pull the focusrite software up directly.
 
and just to address your last post, no it does not matter if you're trying to record the MIDI or simply play it directly without recording, the latency will still be there.  you need to adjust your soundcard buffers in order to minimize it.
2015/07/27 14:53:22
afatica
Thanks, I will try this. I did try to reduce the buffer in the Sapphire software but then I got a message from Sonar that the audio engine dropped out, but I will try again or make the change in Sonar itself.
Thanks,
Art
2015/07/27 15:11:31
Beagle
afatica
Thanks, I will try this. I did try to reduce the buffer in the Sapphire software but then I got a message from Sonar that the audio engine dropped out, but I will try again or make the change in Sonar itself.
Thanks,
Art

it's possible that your computer cannot handle low latencies.  if setting the buffers at 128 causes dropouts, (higher than that will start to be too high for softsynth monitoring) then you'll have to start troubleshooting your computer for high or spiking DPC latencies.
2015/07/27 15:41:10
afatica
Thanks, the only thing that makes me think the computer is OK is that I was able to finish a project last week with AD2 with no latency issues. I saved that file as a template but now I am having the latency issues.
Thanks,
Art
2015/07/27 16:12:34
Beagle
afatica
Thanks, the only thing that makes me think the computer is OK is that I was able to finish a project last week with AD2 with no latency issues. I saved that file as a template but now I am having the latency issues.
Thanks,
Art

then it's likely something which has changed since last week.  that could be some USB device you added since then, or possibly something which has started pulling more current on the USB bus, or a driver has been updated which might not be as efficient as the prior driver with respect to DPC.
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