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2015/07/27 02:43:49
joden
Its alright guys...nobody has actually understood what is happening. Unless you own a motif you won't. I really need to point out I am fully aware of the CAL apps that I can use, but it really does not work in this case. If I could close the thread I would.
 
I am trying to source further info from Motifator. Thanks for the attempts at assistance though, it is appreciated.
2015/07/27 03:45:53
slartabartfast
It occurs to me that you have not made clear what it is you are trying to do since "part" is an ambiguous term here. Sometimes it is used to mean the difference between the notes played by the right hand and the left hand in a keyboard piece. There is no way for software to know which hand is playing what note (although it can guess) based on the pitches. Sometimes it means the notes played by each instrument in an arrangement for several instruments. That latter is usually done in MIDI by recording the tracks individually, one for each voice/patch/instrument at a time, each to its own track. It is possible to create keyboard "splits" on some keyboard synths that will produce different voices from different keys using the built in synthesizer, but that is done with onboard logic routing not MIDI. It would be very unusual to be able to use the MIDI capability of a keyboard to send splits as MIDI to a DAW, although it could conceivably be done by associating each key of the split with a patch change message or sending each split region out as a single midi channel. If your keyboard cannot separate out splits in the MIDI data it sends out, then all the MIDI data will be merged in its output, but you could still separate out the splits after recording the merged MIDI output by applying filters based on note numbers to the recorded MIDI track and manually creating your own tracks.
 
"Dissolve parts" in Cubase will let you separate a multi-channel midi file into separate channels one for each track/lane, or it will let you separate individual pitches (MIDI note values) into their own lanes. The former is only useful if you have a MIDI file coded to contain multiple tracks in a single file. The latter is almost exclusively useful if you want to separate a drum track (where each note is a separate instrument) into separate tracks/lanes for each instrument. If what you want to do is separate parts of a keyboard performance where each note is a separate note on the same instrument, say in order to split the right hand from the left hand part, that feature would give you a separate lane for each note not for each part. That would give you a couple of dozen different tracks/lanes one for each keyboard note, and is probably not what you want.
 
 
2015/07/27 09:05:38
Mystic38
Yes indeed it does...
 
joden
No you are wrong - Yamaha DOES use a single midi channel for its four part Performances, sorry!



and indeed as suggested there are several ways to filter out the keystrokes per performance part.. from simple (clone times three and delete in note ranges), to cal scripts or whatever.
 
HOWEVER
 
The MOXF also has three modes of operation.. and MASTER mode will do exactly what you wish.. and it is simple enough to recreate any given performance as a master setup...where you can use 4 midi channels.
 
Another way is to simply use the VST3 editor and make the setup there as a multi, where you can use 1-16 channels.. and there are videos about setting up Sonar with Motif (actually its one of mine) and there are notes on Yamaha support site about editor setup with Sonar.
 
hth
2015/07/27 09:48:52
JayCee99
@joden
Let me know if you figure it out. . . I have a MOX8 and this would be useful.  I have a love/hate relationship with Performance Mode. . . if they just added a few more features it would be so much better.
2015/07/27 10:17:43
John
On a Roland type  synth ROMpler there are parts and performance modes. For Roland a performance is more than one part being used to create a sound. Here the way to capture it is with a sysex dump to Sonar. The MIDI can be captured with a MIDI save to some disk or memory stick. That can be imported into the Sonar project where the sysex is. Though, I would record the MIDI as it is being played into Sonar. 
 
I don't know anything about the Yamaha synths except they are different in how they approach MIDI.  My only understanding is in GM and how Yamaha handles it. This would not apply to your situation. Surely the manual will explain how to use a DAW with your synth. The Roland XV 5080 manual does.  
2015/07/27 13:40:09
joden
Mystic38
..........and there are videos about setting up Sonar with Motif (actually its one of mine) and there are notes on Yamaha support site about editor setup with Sonar.
 
hth




 
Could you provide a link please?
2015/07/27 14:21:09
Sir Les
Midi, and midi 1..type 0 and type 1= https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=4157.0
2015/07/27 19:37:29
joden
jeez Sir Les - why on earth did you think that would be useful? Been using and manipulating MIDI for 25 years...the thread is about how to strip down Motif arps which are all played on a single MIDI channel (four parts at once) into separate tracks without a mountina of work to determine what note belongs to what instrument, and pitch and velocity mean nothing as all the tracks have verying pitches and velocities.
 
Simple answer is it cannot be done simply so the best solution is to just record it to the onboard sequencer and then save that as a midi file and then try to work on that...MAYBE master mode (or song mode) might allow further identification, I don't know at this stage.
2015/07/27 19:42:01
mettelus
http://youtu.be/cDCprqddPlg

That seems the video referenced above.
2015/07/27 19:49:57
joden
The link provided by Les is one to Noteworty Composer and describes the difference between type 0,1 midi files???
 
However YOUR link mettelus is correct, thanks. Although it is fro setting up the VST in X3, I am running Platinum and I already have the VST3 setup and working. Again, this is not the focus of the thread. Seems to be everything but
 
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