Okay, but that never came up in discussions about how to document the updates. Seemed like the emphasis was on being able to move fast.

BobF
Actually, Cake explained that not wanting to help pirates was the reason the pdf manuals are no longer available for download.  That may not have been the whole story, but it was the reason given.

Never heard that before. I remember being asked whether we wanted PDF or the current method of monthly updates to online docs.

My approach to the binding issue is to not use plugins in my projects that are locked to a specific DAW. I'm sure the bound plugins are great but if I can't use the plugin in Reaper or Live, I'll find something else to make the noise.

I don't think unlocking plugins to work in other daws will increase loyalty to Sonar. Let's face it if folks are going to use those plugins in other daws they're not working in Sonar. It makes it just another grab for something free. The way it is now means of people use the plugins they're working in Sonar..

The fact that I may use another DAW isn't because I want to, it's usually because some circumstance forces me to use that particular DAW. For collaboration usually. So if that's the case the other party won't have the Sonar plugins anyway.

The fact that a few plugins are unlocked and work in other daws should be seen as a plus rather than a reason why others should also be. When I've bought other DAWS it's never been because of the included plugins. It's just not a selling point for those of us buying multiple DAWs. On the the other hand, a new user can buy a DAW like Sonar and be pretty much set to go, being able to start and complete projects from beginner to professional levels.

I will say however, that there's only been one packaged plugin that I want to use in every DAW and that's Sony's Wave Hammer. The absolute best brick wall limiter there is. DX only.

mudgel

BobF
Actually, Cake explained that not wanting to help pirates was the reason the pdf manuals are no longer available for download.  That may not have been the whole story, but it was the reason given.

Never heard that before. I remember being asked whether we wanted PDF or the current method of monthly updates to online docs.

I think he is talking about something along these lines Here
 

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Doktor Avalanche
Looks like everybody's questions have been answered apart from mine so I'll try again and be more specific...
 
* Do we get control of where we put all sample/program files etc in a settings section? (Currently with Dim Pro/Rapure it can only happen via registry and regardless it's impossible to move some files without symbolic links).
 
* Will we see regular service pack releases? (The old Dim Pro/Rapture only had one and it still has plenty of issues, will this be more of the same?).
 
* Will there be an PDF manual to download which we can review before we buy?
 
If the questions cannot be answered now I'll wait, just let me know...
Thx.

Getting back to you on these items. 
 
1) We'll have more information about installation and folder structures closer to release.
 
2)Of course, we plan on supporting this product
 
3) PDF manuals are typically for owners as to not rewards the pirates. 

 
and the unsung comments that followed, as can be seen in the link above.

Thanks for the link. You know that was in reference to Rapture Pro not Sonar but I get the point. That's the only time I've ever seen that written about PDFs not being available because of piracy that's why I asked. I know Cakewalk's position has always been to only make PDFs available to owners not for general public download. Now I see a reason.

So I don't understand your own comment about unsung comments in the link above. As I mentioned that link was about Rapture Pro.

Yes I am aware of what the thread I linked to is about, that is irrelevant, I was commenting on your post where you said you had not seen the 'PDF's/Piracy' comment, and pointing you to where that comment was made. The subject of the thread or the PDF in question is irrelevant, because the main thrust is Cakewalks views and reasons towards providing user manual PDF's etc. The ensuing comments, well just referring to the following talk about PDF's and piracy, and the folly to some of withholding the PDF's etc, again the actual subject and what the PDF in question were referring to is irrelevant, it's about the companies view, standpoint.
 
That is all
 
[Edit] Edited to make more sense . . . or not

I wasn't questioning its factualness (is that even a word) just I hadn't seen the piracy comment it in writing before. In the context of the linked thread it was about asking for a PDF to a program that hadn't even been released at the time of the request.

mudgel

BobF
Actually, Cake explained that not wanting to help pirates was the reason the pdf manuals are no longer available for download.  That may not have been the whole story, but it was the reason given.

Never heard that before. I remember being asked whether we wanted PDF or the current method of monthly updates to online docs.

i do remember that excuse, and thinking it was a bit of a weird reason, i think it was andrew

aha, should have finished reading the thread before posting!