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  • What's the deal with EQ's?
2015/07/22 02:51:00
Bflat5
It seems it doesn't matter what I do, which project or even which EQ I use it doesn't work right.
 
Example... Tonight I recorded a clean bass track, cloned that track and added EQ and a little dirt to it. Somehow some of the drum track bled into that making some of the cymbals sound harsh.
 
The last time I did this with a different EQ the track quit working all together until I turned off that EQ. One EQ was included with Sonar and the other is 3rd party.
 
I have had these EQ problems with every version since X1 that I can remember.
 
Am I somehow using the EQ's wrong or are there known issues with this?
2015/07/22 03:27:08
John
How exactly are you using EQ? I have never had a problem nor have I heard of others having problems. 
2015/07/22 03:29:04
Bristol_Jonesey
I can safely say I've never had a problem with EQ in any version of Sonar.
 
Let's just go over the basics - you've recorded a clean bass track, ok, I get that, now before you did anything else, did you play it back to see what it sounds like? Any sort of bleed from other tracks would manifest itself here, it's nothing to do with cloning. Secondly, why are you cloning the track? If you're playing the original and the clone back at the same time albeit with a bit of EQ added, you are going to get phase cancellation and comb filtering happening at different frequencies.
 
How was your bass recorded? Are we talking bass guitar through a miked up amp or are you using a soft synth?
2015/07/22 03:50:30
Bflat5
This is a real bass straight in no amp, synths or sims... The cloned track has a 3rd party EQ called Equilibre, a compressor called Modern Deathcore and an FX called Boogex.
 
I kept the clean track clean and added the FX to the cloned track to thicken the bass track and make it sound heavy. All of the FX are just added to the track.
 
After saving and restarting Sonar I can't get it to reproduce.
 
I admit I am not a bass player and finding a tone that stands out, but not overpower in the mix has been a challenge for me. With this particular "experiment" I was following a video on how to get a heavy bass sound while recording by Ola Englund. That's where I found the plugins as well.
2015/07/22 04:02:51
Bristol_Jonesey
So did you mute the original on playback? If you didn't you'll get the phase issues I mentioned above
2015/07/22 04:15:26
jih64
Bflat5
 
This is a real bass straight in no amp, synths or sims...  Boogex.




Boogex is an 'amp sim'
 
Anyway, good to see you got it sorted, or it went away after restarting, but if as you say you have been having these EQ issues in every version since X1, there must be some problem somewhere which may be advantageous to sort out, and the gentleman above would be a good candidate to help there if required.
 
I haven't had any issues with EQ's in Sonar at all, unless you include incompetence 
2015/07/22 06:47:39
Bflat5
Bristol_Jonesey So did you mute the original on playback? If you didn't you'll get the phase issues I mentioned above

 
No, from what I understand from the video Ola made you leave the original recording and add the cloned dirty track to it in order to get a thicker bass tone.
 
jih64 Boogex is an 'amp sim'
 
Anyway, good to see you got it sorted, or it went away after restarting, but if as you say you have been having these EQ issues in every version since X1, there must be some problem somewhere which may be advantageous to sort out, and the gentleman above would be a good candidate to help there if required.
 
I haven't had any issues with EQ's in Sonar at all, unless you include incompetence

 
Yeah, I meant to say there's no sims or FX on the clean track, just added to the cloned track. :)
 
It seems anytime I have an issue like this it's caused by an EQ.
 
I am curious about something though. My input device is a Presonus FireBox. I plug the bass directly into that and record, so I'm wondering if using a DI box would be beneficial for this?
 
 
 
 
 
 
2015/07/22 07:25:51
Leadfoot
I agree with Bristol. I would delete the cloned track and put the FX on the original track. It will still thicken the sound, and you won't have phase issues.
2015/07/22 08:01:48
dcumpian
If you want to blend the original track and the effected track, create a bus, insert a send from the original to the bus and put the FX on that bus. Set the output of the original track and the new bus to a third bus to use as a submix. Blend to taste then you can use the third bus to set levels in the song.
 
Regards,
Dan
 
2015/07/22 09:31:22
Kylotan
If you're getting 'bleed' when you're recording a bass signal direct then that implies you're recording from the wrong source. Make sure your input for the bass track is set to the specific input on your recording device, and not set to 'mixer', 'monitor', 'what you hear', or anything vague or all-encompassing like that.
 
On the other hand, if you're getting bleed when you clone a track that implies your cloning is going wrong somehow.
 
I doubt this is anything to do with the EQ, unless you've set up some weird sort of side-chaining thing where multiple tracks go into the same EQ.
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