• SONAR
  • touch screen monitor (p.3)
2010/07/26 01:31:33
INGMANERIK23@SBCGLOB
Before I made the decision to go with Resistive technology, I had a long phone conversation with a tech at Open Labs, and he explained why they chose Resistive for the Neko. They had done extensive comparisons with the other touch technologies, and went with Resistive because it is much more accurate, and responsive for fine controls than the others. Also Jazz Mutant that make the Lemur and another (multi touch) Resistive, have said the same thing and still do.

Though my screen is not multi touch capable (yet), and though it does have a touch coating with spacer dots, I have noticed very little in the way of poor quality viewing, I think it looks great, even for doing drawn art w/Photo Shop. It is so accurate when moving virtual faders, knobs, XY pads, buttons, etc with most DAW functions and VST/i, (though as I said it sucks on Sonars faders!) I can also for example play the mini keys on the Wavestation's GUI w/ stunning accuracy, and other VSTi's with keys.

I also had an in depth discussion with ELO tech support, and explained exactly what I am looking to do, and after talking with a number of co workers and developers they said,. . . . indeed Resistive was the way to go. Yes it is not as durable as glass, and can scratch, though you'd have to be very aggressive with it to do so. I also find a touch of silicon spray on the monitor makes sliding your finger much easier, and it also makes the surface last a lot longer.

From what I have read on the net Resistive is vastly improving in all ways, and at its current state of development still excels at accuracy.

Someday when available and affordable I will get a new Resistive Multi Touch. I understand Stanton is at the forefront of Resistive Multi Touch technology. And also There (supposedly) are ways to get Multi Touch using XP and resistive besides Infrared. Also regarding Infrared, I was forewarned by both Open Labs and ELO that, that would not be a good choice for fine and accurate control of DAW apps.

The monitor I am using now is ELO 1928 L 19" full screen, they also make it in a wide screen, it is marketed to POS (Point Of Sales) but if interested don't let that scare you off, Out side of only single touch, I couldn't be happier, it makes my work flow and creativity excel in many ways.

Cheers!!

Erik

http://www.elotouch.com/P...LCDs/1928L/default.asp

http://www.elotouch.com/Products/LCDs/1928L/#specs

I am using the AccuTouch five-wire resistive model
2010/07/26 01:57:51
INGMANERIK23@SBCGLOB
Also here is a link for a comparison chart on all touch technologies, advantages and disadvantages of each from ELO.

http://www.elotouch.com/T..ologies/compare_all.asp
2010/07/26 04:22:24
DaneStewart
INGMANERIK23@SBCGLOB


Also here is a link for a comparison chart on all touch technologies, advantages and disadvantages of each from ELO.

http://www.elotouch.com/T..ologies/compare_all.asp


Dude -THANKS!

It seems that the real winner for our type of apps is....and I know some will hate it - The APPLE touch screen.

I have an iTouch and the screens responsiveness is amazing compared to everything else I've tried.

It looks like we just have to wait a little bit longer until it's 23"-ready and available.


2010/07/26 06:21:46
Kalle Rantaaho
I had the chance to test a touch screen recently. After a short test my prejudice got enhanced. Sonar UI should be totally redesigned for touch screen use (or my fingertips need surgical operation), and I couldn't work with my arm lifted for hours.

Also, I started to wonder: I have longish guitar picking nails in my right hand, and the most used functions in the UI are usually at the same spot on the screen. How much scratching and poking with these nails will the screen tolerate?  The other touch screens I'm used to at work are always used with a rubber pointer, and they're still OK after 5 years of use. 

But that was only a test drive of about 45 minutes.
2010/07/26 06:48:09
INGMANERIK23@SBCGLOB
" How much scratching and poking with these nails will the screen tolerate?"

Quite a bit actually, the touch monitor I use is designed for that, and takes quite a lot, I have been using it for 2 1/2 years with no signs of wear.
2010/07/26 09:58:32
garrigus
DaneStewart


DOH!

THANKS SCOTT! ...(I didn't look closely enough at the bottom of the list)

"Foolish is he who questions Scott's knowledge of SONAR!"

Today I'd be that fool.....


No problem. I'm glad I could help!

Scott

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2010/07/26 12:30:58
DaneStewart
Kalle Rantaaho


I had the chance to test a touch screen recently. After a short test my prejudice got enhanced. Sonar UI should be totally redesigned for touch screen use (or my fingertips need surgical operation), and I couldn't work with my arm lifted for hours.


Ouch! THAT sounds self-abusive.

Kalle,
We put the monitor FLAT my friend!
Or on a very soft angle. Just like a mixing console, with an armrest in front of it.

;-)

~DPS

2010/07/26 17:08:55
daveny5

I had the chance to test a touch screen recently. After a short test my prejudice got enhanced. Sonar UI should be totally redesigned for touch screen use (or my fingertips need surgical operation), and I couldn't work with my arm lifted for hours.


Now the secret is out. Sonar 9: Optimized for Touch Screens!

As for the touch screen, the good models allow you to lay them back almost horizontally. You could feasibly flip a standard touch screen upside down and lay it down. Then tell your display setup to flip the image upside down.
2010/07/26 19:21:26
INGMANERIK23@SBCGLOB
My touch screen is built like a tank, and rather heavy, it can be tilted totally flat w/o tipping.
I can imagine using it on the Neko must be great, no arms tiring out, I admit mine does after a while. Also why I don't miss the multi touch.

Erik
2010/07/26 19:22:27
INGMANERIK23@SBCGLOB
Also is that true about Sonar 9???
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