Ok i started in the instrument forum and no response.  I am at the moment for my masters degree trying to replicate the track Strawberry Fields by The Beatles.  The problem is the cello, its 99.9% there but how do i emulate the bowing, that is when you play two notes that are the same, one note is bowed forward and one is bowed back.  The samples included with dimesnsion pro are all good but this is the only thing i cannot emulate.  Do i need the expansion pack or am i missing somthing.  Please help its driving me insane.  The track is sounding thunderous and i think lennon would have approved just got to fix these damm cello notes.

To get that realistic sound, many string sample libraries include both bowing samples for each note and some even switch the samples automatically to make string passages sound as realistic as possible. I don't think any of the string patches in Dimension Pro provide that.

Scott

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I'm not an expert on Dim but I guess you'd need a powerful sampler or sample player with a high quality library to get really realistic cellos with different bowings and articulations..

I believe that when Dim pro was designed such detailed emulations/samplings were not within the reach of normal wallets.

Let's hope somebody chimes in and says I'm wrong and that there's a way.

You'll need a better sample library than DimPro. To replicate the effect try a different approach a use other instruments (synth /gtrs) along with whatever you currently may be using for cello lines.
That may help you achieve a less cheesy sounding string section. It'll also give you a personalized version rather than trying to sound like The Beatles/ George Martin.

Of course you need realistic sample Library...
Buy Kontakt 4 and you get some of the Vienna Library instruments for free..


http://www.native-instrum...ts/producer/kontakt-4/

Well, if you're going for realism I'd suggest hiring a cellist. 

Short of that, I've had pretty good results with Garritan Personal Orchestra.  It contains upbow and downbow articulations as well as many others.  It's also fairly affordable.


Doug

dr.hash


Ok i started in the instrument forum and no response.  I am at the moment for my masters degree trying to replicate the track Strawberry Fields by The Beatles.  The problem is the cello, its 99.9% there but how do i emulate the bowing, that is when you play two notes that are the same, one note is bowed forward and one is bowed back.  The samples included with dimesnsion pro are all good but this is the only thing i cannot emulate.  Do i need the expansion pack or am i missing somthing.  Please help its driving me insane.  The track is sounding thunderous and i think lennon would have approved just got to fix these damm cello notes.

If you have more then one cello sound source you can layer them.  Static layering doesn't really help much but if you use automation on one or both you can fake some variation in tone and texture from bow action. For example one smooth and one scratchy track triggered from the same MIDI. Then fade the scratchy one in when you want some extra texture. Just a few spots of that can make the track seem more random and more real.  I'd use the clip gain envelope for this so it's pre effects bin.

Great suggestions so far!
 
I'd add a +1 on GPO.  It's got the expressions that you need, but at an entry-level price.  The new ARIA player that it comes with is nice, too.  Maybe you can get a demo (free) or student (cheap) version just so you can get the project finished.  Then after the project is finished, you'll be glad you have it for other projects (Eleanor Rigby?)...

vanblah

Short of that, I've had pretty good results with Garritan Personal Orchestra.  It contains upbow and downbow articulations as well as many others.  It's also fairly affordable.


Doug

+1 to this response.

Your post made me want to double check the Garritan Pocket Orchestra available in Dim.  It's a much smaller library than the full GPO, and doesn't have the same keyswitches and articulations available.  In fact it operates very differently, in a more generic way.

But the solo strings in GPO have a setting for automatic alternating of bowing, which is what you want.

I did experiment with changing the Pocket Orchestra's solo cello, making the attack much shorter than what's been programmed, and it gave a variation on the sound, more like down bowing.

What's unfortunate is that one of the best sampled instruments ever created, the Garritan Gofriller Cello was only available for a short period of time.  It's a highly detailed instrument which can be totally convincing if used properly.  It would be ideal for your project.  The semi-good news is that you can sometimes find a copy still on sale.

In other words, if you really want to emulate the original sound of Strawberry Fields with a virtual instrument, you'll probably be needing to spend some money.

Randy B.

LA Scoring Strings is the game to beat.  Here's something I threw together just using a crummy MIDI file I found on the internet.  I used two articulations (legato and staccato) and I used a first chair cello as well as 3-player ensemble patches.  No other editing to the MIDI was done.
http://www.audiorecordingandservices.com/LASS_Strawberry.mp3