Fun stuff, Jsaras--Excellent!

Randy B.

jsaras


LA Scoring Strings is the game to beat. 

I think EastWest Hollywood Strings can beat that, but it's also more expensive.
http://digifreq.com/?DFBL1221

Scott

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rbowser


For the fun of it, I did a quick job on a Strawberry Field passage using the Garritan Gofriller:

Strawbery Celli

A quick scratch file using 4 tracks.

Randy B.

 
Excellent Randy!
Quick OT question: I'm guessing that you just "played" it (keys, velocity, maybe some CC)? Or did you have to do any keyswitching or other articulation stuff?  I'm interested in orchestral libraries (or in this case, models)that yield a quick path to realism without having to paint every brushstroke with a toothpick.

What a cool idea, comparing different libraries with one common melody.

What we should do is post a MIDI file that everyone could download and apply to whatever samplers/synths they have available to them. I'd want to include all synths, not just the high-end sample libraries but also entry-level synths (e.g. TTS-1) as well as hardware synths.

Then we'd post the results somewhere, but initially not identify the sound sources so that they can be auditioned with unprejudiced ears.

Anybody else up for that?

losguy

rbowser


For the fun of it, I did a quick job on a Strawberry Field passage using the Garritan Gofriller:

Strawbery Celli

A quick scratch file using 4 tracks.

Randy B.

 
Excellent Randy!
Quick OT question: I'm guessing that you just "played" it (keys, velocity, maybe some CC)? Or did you have to do any keyswitching or other articulation stuff?  I'm interested in orchestral libraries (or in this case, models)that yield a quick path to realism without having to paint every brushstroke with a toothpick.

Thanks, Losguy - That was fun to throw together, imperfect timing and all. 

I'm fortunate to have both the Garritan Gofriller and the Garritan Stradavari, but a very important caveat is, as was mentioned previously, both of these solo instruments haven't been on sale for some time now.  They were only available for a little over a year.  Some unfortunate disagreement between the creators brought that about.

But I've heard of people still finding copies.  A heavy round of Googling, Yahoo and Ebay searching might yield results.

Answering your questions, this clip was done with just the first default articulation.  Volume fluctuations were recorded live using CC11, touches of vibrato were recorded live with CC1, and bow switching with CC64.  This was very quick and dirty.  I used the same MIDI file for the 4 tracks, detuning the instrument a bit for each one, and offsetting the notes slightly each time so they weren't impossibly perfectly together.  AND, one kind of big thing - that line from The Beatles' song takes the cello below its normal range.  I could play the low Bb, so used a pitch shifter on that phrase on the loudest track, left the line doubled an octave higher on the others.

I hear you about "painting every brushstroke with a toothpick," - some libraries yield results faster than others, but they'll all call for a fair amount of MIDI editing to bring out their best.

IMPORTANT NOTE - You mentioned solo instruments in the Pocket Orchestra - Just like in the full GPO, the Strad and Cello in those collections aren't from the same sample pool as these discontinued Garritan instruments.

Randy B.

bitflipper


What a cool idea, comparing different libraries with one common melody.

What we should do is post a MIDI file that everyone could download and apply to whatever samplers/synths they have available to them. I'd want to include all synths, not just the high-end sample libraries but also entry-level synths (e.g. TTS-1) as well as hardware synths.

Then we'd post the results somewhere, but initially not identify the sound sources so that they can be auditioned with unprejudiced ears.

Anybody else up for that?

Your post went up the same time as my last one - just now seeing it.

I think it's a cool idea.  Would be fun, potentially educational, enlightening about different synths available etc.

Having a MIDI file everyone uses for the demos makes the idea even better.  We'd have to allow people to use whatever particular controllers a synth requires, so that would vary, but the basic notes and tempo would be the same.

I'm all for it.

Randy B.

Thanks for working that up for us!  Good job!
 
The LASS articulations are far more apparent... and I'm on junk PC speakers right now.
Oh no, that means, I'll need to free up that grand so I can finish my version of "I Am the Walrus."
(Ah... but that must wait until the next bull market... see, it never ends. )

Having a MIDI file everyone uses for the demos makes the idea even better. We'd have to allow people to use whatever particular controllers a synth requires, so that would vary, but the basic notes and tempo would be the same.

Sure, we'd allow any trick in the book to be used, including the addition of MIDI articulation switches and audio effects. The composition would be the constant factor. That way, you're truly demonstrating what a synth can do, even if only in the hands of an expert user who's worked with it long enough to become intimately familiar with its nuances.

This, I think, would be of great interest to anyone trying to sort out all the software options that are out there. Someone with a mid-priced orchestral library might be thinking about coughing up a grand or more on a high-end library and wondering if it's worth it.

Somebody else might be very surprised to hear what can be done using entry-level synths they already own, such as Dim Pro. I've always maintained that it's more important to know what can be done rather than how to do it, because you can always figure out the how-to part if you know it can be done in the first place.

What we need is a short piece (30 to 60 seconds' duration), preferably a familiar piece such as the Star Wars theme, and a reference sample such as a snippit of a commercial recording of the bit. Got anything like that?

Ok guys good talk about this subject.  A couple of things this is not a small pissy subject that i am doing this is my major project and i am trying to see if it is possible to put together a track like strawberry fields together in a daw.  That is with things like slowed down voice and various other tricks im even going so far as to purchase a uad laptop cad to see if the fairchild limiter will add anything.  and by the way rings beat kit contained in session drummer 3 does indeed sound like his ludwig kit esp after detuning it and useing a filter to muffle the sound.  After listening to strawberry fields for the gadzillinith time my cello sounds within reason like the cello.  John lennon once said he hated what george martin had done to his track.  This is an expiriment to see how far a daw has come because as an industry that is studio not live were in some deep ****.  The dimesion pro instrument is amazing i was asking by the way about the expansion pack of orchestrial sounds that you can pick up for 150 bucks and what they were like.  Perhaps the guys at cakewalk would like to donate this expansion pack to me i am after all a very loyal customer.  after 5 years of study and everyday being told that Pro tools is the bomb i would defended sonar to the death Sonar forever protools never.  anyway back to the subject look thanks for your help, the cellos are indeed working and i dont belive that it is necessary to spend a 1000 dollars on a orchestral sample bank but the expansion pack would be suffcient.  what i  have discovered is that it is indeed possible to recreate strawberry fields in a daw sure it doesnt quite sound like the original but it can sound as good if not differnet as the original.  The point being that if you are a producer and a great is a great song the daw has arrived and the studio is indeed dead.  Sonar is the most powerful daw on the market and the most flexible.  I can say this with some authority being a masters student.  I would not even attempt this project on any other product.  if any body can let me know how the orchestral expansion pack sounds for the dim pro this would be apprcieated.  Finally what i am trying to do is not replicate the track as such but make it new and use all the tools avalible to me in a modern daw to try and add a digital flavour.  If we can have tape flavour surley we can have digital flavour.  This is the argument that i am having with my industry at the moment tape is dead and we now have to embrace digital and that means we must understand how to impart and use digital to its fullest just as in 1967 they used tape and the studio to the fullest.  I declare that we are indeed in technological terms back in 1967 with our DAW's and that means the future is bright imagine what we are going to acheive in 6 years with the technology avaliable.  The problem is we must push the technology and we as listeners have to start to listen to digital and instead of saying oh it doesent sound like tape, sure no, but it does sound like digital and WOW did you hear that.  If we can get the punters to start listing to music in that way again once again the future is bright.  Once again for all your help.
 
Peace Love Ben B.CT

PS here is a link to a guy who did beethovans 1st all within a DAW.  This is amazing this is the future.  If beethovan or mozart were alive today they to would get rid of all those pesky musicians and go down the virtual route.  Bring on the future Long Live Digital!!! Hoorha Hoorhra Hoora