• SONAR
  • The New Notation Fixes Thread! (p.2)
2015/06/29 03:54:19
OldTimerNewComer
I Believe that what drives a developer to "IMPROVE" a feature is the same as
always... profit, and the averages of all the reasons the largest market share target
purchases a DAW for;
 
I don't think notation will ever be high enough on that list to make a critical difference
to the Bakers, as long as better and more nominally priced apps exist 3rd party.
 
jm2c
Mel
2015/06/29 04:48:56
Tom Riggs
Perhaps but at least they are asking for direction from the users.
2015/06/29 04:57:46
Kamikaze
I can see the advantage of keybindings Jerry, but it seems the easiest fix of all, to a return a function to where it was. The fact it prompted you to look into keybindings shows that removing the function made the program less usable instead of more. Probably moved for the sake of aesthetics, and not practicality. Making it hide-able would would simply please both camps.  
2015/06/29 05:05:07
Elffin
Note icons are defnitley..... eights and quarter notes are additional hassle to explain since I already teach in Welsh and their traditional european note names "quavers".

In education, lack of note icons is a hindrance and additional barrier to actually learning.
2015/06/29 08:45:39
Sidroe
The thread I started on notation fixes is still going strong at 24 pages!  I am so glad to see even more support for this much needed feature getting pounded in to shape! Please, bakers! Are you watching?
2015/06/29 10:32:15
Anderton
Sidroe
The thread I started on notation fixes is still going strong at 24 pages!  I am so glad to see even more support for this much needed feature getting pounded in to shape! Please, bakers! Are you watching?



Of course they are - that's why there have been staff view fixes in the past several releases and more are upcoming. However, note that the number of unique people in that thread does not account for 24 pages...a lot of it is multiple posts by the same people saying the same thing, e.g., one guy alone accounts for 40 posts in that thread.
 
The reality is that the call for staff view improvements remains the province of a vocal minority, BUT the important takeaway is that Cakewalk is taking that vocal minority seriously and slowly but surely, is making fixes...just as Bill Jackson said would happen in that thread. The monthly release schedule is directly responsible for these improvements as they can be whittled away one at a time instead of blocking out the time needed to fix them all as a group.
 
2015/06/29 10:46:29
Kamikaze
I counted around 150 posters interested in fixes going back a few years across about 5 threads. I don't recall 150 posters showing interest in anything else. There were about large number of posters at the beginning of the Sid's thread, of course there will also be posters reading that thread that didn't comment as well.
 
So if people post they are called vocal if they don't then they don't exist. Seems you can't count either way then! 
 
All while cakewalk boasts about it's 'great notation' resources in it's advertising.
2015/06/29 11:14:42
Jimbo 88
I vote Jerry for President of the World....
 
But seriously,
 
1) Someone finding away for DAWs to better interact with notation programs would be awesome.
2) Tuplets would be nice
3) Someone posted a graphic of Piano View that swapped piano notes with staves that was genius...Now that would seem to solve many, many issues.  I personally would not need staff view to have higher resolution if this happened.  
2015/06/29 12:02:30
wizard71
^3.... Love this idea!
2015/06/29 12:04:01
pbognar
jsg
 
What Sonar's notation can use in my opinion are really only three things:
 
1. Bring the note resolution down to 64th notes.   That includes 32nd and 64th note triplets.
2. Fix the dotted and tied triplet issue (all triplets) so that tied and dotted notes conform to SMN (standard music notation)
3. Change the way dotted notes are displayed:  The dot should never be on a staff line, instead always above the line the note is on, based on SMN rules. 
 
That's it.  
 

 
I like it.  Leave the graphics out for now.
 
But, with regard to triplets, are we still in agreement that we would like to see limitation of complete groups of three notes per triplet group eliminated?  If so, Jerry, can you edit your original post in the thread to reflect that?
 
Thanks
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