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  • Recording live drums (p.2)
2015/07/06 15:42:30
garygml
<p>Cheers bandso I think that Just went straight over my head lol... Can u break it down a bit</p>
2015/07/06 15:44:11
garygml
Cheers jonesy I never thought of that will that isolate each drum & allow me to route to separate tracks? 
 
2015/07/06 15:48:58
Bristol_Jonesey
I'm not entirely sure. I personally haven't used it and am unlikely to as I have no access (or space) to record live drums.
 
Others much more knowledgeable than myself will be able to help.
2015/07/06 16:19:02
TheMaartian
garygml
Cheers jonesy I never thought of that will that isolate each drum & allow me to route to separate tracks? 

The number of live tracks you can record in SONAR is equal to or less than the number of physical inputs you have on your audio interface. Your Forte has 2 inputs. The Zed 10 has 4, but the only way to get all four into 4 separate tracks in SONAR is via its USB interface, ASSUMING there is an ASIO driver for it. If not, you'll need to use your Forte, with the Zed 10 S1a L & R Line Outs connected to the Forte TRS Line Ins.
 
So, if you're looking to make a multitrack recording, you'll need a different audio interface.
 
Here's a Sound On Sound article on mic'ing drums:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul99/articles/recordingdrums.htm
 
A Shure PDF file on placement:
http://cdn.shure.com/publ..._for_drums_english.pdf
2015/07/06 17:52:23
gbowling
For the two mics on your drums... Be sure to place them equidistant from the snare and about in line with your bass drum. That will prevent phase problems with your snare.
 
Since you've only got two channels and you're going to have other instruments/vocals, it might be tricky to replace drums with drum replacer. DR won't route anything, it's just something you can try on your recording after you're done. If you can isolate the bass/snare using the filters in DR, you might be able to replace those with DR sounds.
 
Work on getting levels right between the drum mics and the other mics.  You might even find that just two mics for the entire band sounds best. Hopefully you have a few takes to test some options. If you use two mics as stereo, also be sure to get them equidistant from your snare. 
 
Not sure if the A&H can be used as an interface into sonar, but worth looking in to.
 
Good luck!
2015/07/06 18:02:10
tlw
If the differing interfaces all have WDM drivers wouldn't it be possible to use those and aggregate the interfaces rather than using ASIO (which, with few exceptions, restricts you to one interface)? You wouldn't be able to monitor using Sonar's inout echo, but I guess you might not need to anyway.

If the band can get a reasonable balance of instruments, vocals etc why not just record them the old-fashioned way using a stereo pair of mics or even a single mic? It worked pretty well for the first 50ish years of the recording industry.

Another option might be to use the interfaces as stand-alone mic pres with their mic inputs routed directly to their outputs which then feed the ZED10's stereo channels. It depends on the internal routing in the interfaces, but if they can handle direct monitoring of their inputs straight to output without going through a DAW that might work as a way to grab a few more mic channels.

No possibility of later overdubs due to mic bleed of course, but if overdubs or punch-ins to fix bits are likely to be needed you'd do better to multi-track from the start with each instrument being individually recorded one at a time. Which means a loss of interplay between band members and longer recording sessions as well as more work....
2015/07/06 18:12:26
bapu
I was wrong.
2015/07/06 20:00:19
NeoSoul
I've had quite a bit of experience trying to capture "multi-track" live recordings with limited inputs.  Two mics in the drums is really all you need to get decent results.  One Large Diaphram over the snare kind of area, and one on the kick.  (you can use the Nomad mono -> stereo plugin to make the mono overhead feel like it is stereo.  
 
Short video that talks about this:
 
https://youtu.be/DHQKtK-xTr8
 
 
2015/07/06 21:18:29
ShellstaX
Do you have Sonar Platinum? If so you got the new in depth video tutorial as a freebie:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Advanced-Workshop-Modern-Drum-Production
As per second Sticky post at the top of the forum.
(OK, I think he uses 18 mics! :))
 
Although not 'live' the older 4 part drum Master Class has a wealth of workflow tips etc. Starting at:
http://youtu.be/-X-fIfLFtvM
 
I'll leave the hardware routing / multi-tracking advice to the experts.
2015/07/06 21:25:27
gswitz
Turn on that track grouping feature in preferences. It's handy in case you decide to move some transients.
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