jih64

2:43AM
Do any other DAW's out there allow a VST synth to be recorded in real-time?

REAPER

I'm sorry. This is getting a little silly. Reaper is an excellent tool but come on, man. You're on the Sonar forum. We are all aware it exists and many of us have tried it and even have it installed.
 
Personally I find Reaper useful in many ways but ONLY in the stuff that is lacking in my DAW of choice... Sonar. It is not, to me, a particularly creativity inducive environment like Sonar is. It is also severely lacking in all the extra creative tools (like the massive instrument and effects suite Sonar has).
 
Reaper is an excellent DAW (as in a recording, editing and perhaps mixing platform if you already have purchased all the necessary tools to compliment it) but its main competitors, as far as form and function are the PTs and Cubase's of the world. Not Sonar. Sonar is an animal all on its own and that's why it has such a rabid (if not maybe smallish) fanbase.
 
I say to you, in all respect, Cakewalk Sonar is not the demon you should be attempting to slay. If anything Sonar compliments Reaper (and vice versa).
 
It's a free forum and all that but really this persistence of yours to try and convince everyone that Reaper is a better solution to Sonar is misguided at best.
 
BTW... I was pleasantly surprised to learn that almost ALL of the tools I have acquired over the past few years work in Reaper (I thought they were locked). Despite that the Sonar environment, to me, is much prefarable to the Reaper environment. I would use Reaper for simple and reliable tracking on under powered systems and occasionally to access some of the features Sonar may not provide. Otherwise I will run back to the loving arms of Sonar every time.
 
And I used to use freaking Nuendo... supposedly creme de la creme when it comes to this stuff.
 
Peace, love, unity and high fibre granola.

I have been missing this capability for years. I'm not going to bother going into WHY it's important to me as it seems that most posts in the thread are all about "It's not important to me so it shouldn't be important to you".
 
The bottom line to me is that it's a basic function that should be in Sonar. If I want to capture a performance which has random variables and therefore has to be "recorded" to get the TAKE I want... I don't think that's asking much from a DAW.

Anderton
But really, at the end of the day all that matters is the emotional impact on the listener of the music you create with your DAW of choice. If people see DAWs solely as a collection of features, IMHO they're missing the point.

On the basis of this Cakewalk should supply a fat one at least once a month with subscriptions..

Just to mention... Randomness and reproducibility are 2 different properties in the pure digital world.
In science, random generators which are not able to reproduce random sequence as many times as you want are absolutely useless. I understand that in music world that is not a show stopper, but if some software VSTi pretend to be random but is not able to reproduce exactly the same sound based on exactly the same input plus remembered seed, that is significant design mistake in the VSTi. Taking that into account, you are just requesting support of buggy (or at least bad designed) plug-ins
Edit: my bad, it looks like a general problem.

Where does that leave Random Sample Hold then?

PilotGav
Where does that leave Random Sample Hold then?

Can you give me a link to this VSTi?

Beepster

jih64

2:43AM
Do any other DAW's out there allow a VST synth to be recorded in real-time?

REAPER

I'm sorry. This is getting a little silly. Reaper is an excellent tool but come on, man. You're on the Sonar forum. We are all aware it exists and many of us have tried it and even have it installed.
 
Personally I find Reaper useful in many ways but ONLY in the stuff that is lacking in my DAW of choice... Sonar. It is not, to me, a particularly creativity inducive environment like Sonar is. It is also severely lacking in all the extra creative tools (like the massive instrument and effects suite Sonar has).
 
Reaper is an excellent DAW (as in a recording, editing and perhaps mixing platform if you already have purchased all the necessary tools to compliment it) but its main competitors, as far as form and function are the PTs and Cubase's of the world. Not Sonar. Sonar is an animal all on its own and that's why it has such a rabid (if not maybe smallish) fanbase.
 
I say to you, in all respect, Cakewalk Sonar is not the demon you should be attempting to slay. If anything Sonar compliments Reaper (and vice versa).
 
It's a free forum and all that but really this persistence of yours to try and convince everyone that Reaper is a better solution to Sonar is misguided at best.
 
BTW... I was pleasantly surprised to learn that almost ALL of the tools I have acquired over the past few years work in Reaper (I thought they were locked). Despite that the Sonar environment, to me, is much prefarable to the Reaper environment. I would use Reaper for simple and reliable tracking on under powered systems and occasionally to access some of the features Sonar may not provide. Otherwise I will run back to the loving arms of Sonar every time.
 
And I used to use freaking Nuendo... supposedly creme de la creme when it comes to this stuff.
 
Peace, love, unity and high fibre granola.

No 1, I'll say what I like where and when I like, I am a Sonar user as well, and I am just pointing out the fact, you don't like it . . . tough. Obviously some aren't aware it exists, or that it has the function. I'm not attempting to slay anything, so don't try putting words in my mouth. Thank you

The orignal sentiment of the thread is sound and falls in line with the broader request of being able, if one desired, to record the output of one track into another (or simply output to another track for whatever reason like perhaps some kind of alt monitoring scheme).
 
This is indeed a limitation of Sonar that could and should be corrected.
 
As far as synth randomization... sure, anti machine gun modes, humanize functions and fancier things than I'm aware of make the idea of wanting to capture specific "virtual" performances totally reasonable. Particularly in a live recording situation where perhaps the human artist is playing along with and to the randomized VST performance. If you record the human but not the synth then you may lose something when you bounce/freeze/export the synth after the fact hoping the human performance syncs up in the same way.
 
The virtual performer certainly isn't going to play along with the human.
 
Yes physical wiring would work but when analog ports are limited (especially if you want to capture a multi out synth... not just a stereo out) it is not always feasible.
 
Don't mistake my last post as dismissing the validity of these types of requests. It was about the seemingly persistent promotion of another DAW on this forum by one specific user. Not sure what that is all about. Just been seeing a lot of it.

jih64
No 1, I'll say what I like where and when I like, I am a Sonar user as well, and I am just pointing out the fact, you don't like it tough. and obviously some aren't aware it exists, or that it has the function. I'm not attempting to slay anything, so don't try putting words in my mouth. Thank you

I was not putting words in your mouth and I will also say what I like. You have been beating this drum for a while now and it seems to be your (usually one phrase) answer to everything. What I am saying is it is getting excessive and somewhat innapropriate as well as misleading.
 
If you are indeed a Sonar fan then perhaps you should discuss Sonar every now and again and provide Sonar based solutions to Sonar based problems instead of just typing "REAPER" at every opportunity.
 
I have no problem with you liking Reaper. I like it as well. I have no problem with you suggesting it as a solution for things that Sonar does not do (I have done the same). Just remember these are the SONAR forums based around SONAR discussions. Maybe try to suggest SONAR based solutions before telling people to switch to Reaper.
 
And if YOU have a problem with that then we have nothing else to discuss and I will bid you good day.
 
Peace.

azslow3
Can you give me a link to this VSTi?

You could start with z3ta+.