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azslow3
Can you give me a link to this VSTi?

You could start with z3ta+.

Which preset? I have not hit unpredictable results so far when using it.

Every preset that uses Random LFO or Random as modulation source, it is easy to find them in sequence and pad sections.

jih64

Beepster

jih64

2:43AM
Do any other DAW's out there allow a VST synth to be recorded in real-time?

REAPER

I'm sorry. This is getting a little silly. Reaper is an excellent tool but come on, man. You're on the Sonar forum. We are all aware it exists and many of us have tried it and even have it installed.
 
Personally I find Reaper useful in many ways but ONLY in the stuff that is lacking in my DAW of choice... Sonar. It is not, to me, a particularly creativity inducive environment like Sonar is. It is also severely lacking in all the extra creative tools (like the massive instrument and effects suite Sonar has).
 
Reaper is an excellent DAW (as in a recording, editing and perhaps mixing platform if you already have purchased all the necessary tools to compliment it) but its main competitors, as far as form and function are the PTs and Cubase's of the world. Not Sonar. Sonar is an animal all on its own and that's why it has such a rabid (if not maybe smallish) fanbase.
 
I say to you, in all respect, Cakewalk Sonar is not the demon you should be attempting to slay. If anything Sonar compliments Reaper (and vice versa).
 
It's a free forum and all that but really this persistence of yours to try and convince everyone that Reaper is a better solution to Sonar is misguided at best.
 
BTW... I was pleasantly surprised to learn that almost ALL of the tools I have acquired over the past few years work in Reaper (I thought they were locked). Despite that the Sonar environment, to me, is much prefarable to the Reaper environment. I would use Reaper for simple and reliable tracking on under powered systems and occasionally to access some of the features Sonar may not provide. Otherwise I will run back to the loving arms of Sonar every time.
 
And I used to use freaking Nuendo... supposedly creme de la creme when it comes to this stuff.
 
Peace, love, unity and high fibre granola.

No 1, I'll say what I like where and when I like, I am a Sonar user as well, and I am just pointing out the fact, you don't like it . . . tough. Obviously some aren't aware it exists, or that it has the function. I'm not attempting to slay anything, so don't try putting words in my mouth. Thank you

Actually, you're defying Justin's personal request that people not constantly talk about R_____ on other forums.
 
Some of us have used R_____ heavily, and see it for what it is. Even the die hards are obviously pissed at what seems to be a lack of direction in R5 and bugs that have existed for years without getting fixed.
 
Some examples:
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=159635
 
Dozens of examples.
 
http://forum.cockos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22

Reaktor has hundreds of ensembles that rely on random functions that can't be captured as MIDI. Only audio. Doesn't matter if you record the midi, because they sound different every time you start them up. That's the point. You play the synth or plug based on what you're hearing and guide it along.
 
My solution so far is to use another program to record the audio, as I hear it, then import back into my host.

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Every preset that uses Random LFO or Random as modulation source, it is easy to find them in sequence and pad sections.

I have got the idea now... It is getting interesting, I have not thought the situation is so bad. It looks like no one is really care about reproducibility, even without any Random components. I guess I have to spend some time looking into VST standard. May be in music no one cares at all and prefer to have "randomness" at places where that does not make make any sense

Reaktor has a wav recorder.

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Anderton
I wasn't saying what you wanted, I was saying what I wanted. As I rarely use the drum pane or drum maps, I'd 1000% more like to see a drum machine mode for the PRV.

There is the same situation, there is a bunch of plug-ins that can do drum machine, so why add something that can be done already?

Not the same situation, Cakewalk hasn't had to spend development time on AD2. 

PilotGav
I have been missing this capability for years. I'm not going to bother going into WHY it's important to me as it seems that most posts in the thread are all about "It's not important to me so it shouldn't be important to you".

 
I don't think that accurately summarizes most posts at all. Most posts want to know WHY it's so important to others because I would venture to say it's not a normal part of most workflows. I delineated the four conditions that have to be met for real-time synth recording to be relevant, and it's a fairly limited set.
 

The bottom line to me is that it's a basic function that should be in Sonar. If I want to capture a performance which has random variables and therefore has to be "recorded" to get the TAKE I want... I don't think that's asking much from a DAW.

Noel already explained why it's difficult to do. Meanwhile, as I've explained several times you can accomplish exactly what you want to do with SONAR. If you choose not to take advantage of functionality SONAR offers to do what you want because you'd rather have the functionality implemented differently, that's your choice.
 
I use physical loopback to record live performances on SONAR into two spare channels, so this isn't a foreign concept to me. And FWIW, I also have to do that with Ableton Live if I want to record a live performance, because Solo button presses are not recorded in an Ableton Live project and they're a crucial part of my performances with that software. I could whine to Ableton endlessly about not recording solo button presses, and I've mentioned it to them as have many other people. But I got the same basic answer as Noel gave - it's so deep in the code they can't do anything about it. So instead of spending my time complaining, given that they're not going to do anything about it, I hook up two patch cords and record my Ableton Live sets. It's really not that hard. I suppose I could also insert Guitar Rig as an effect, not load any effects, and use its recorder.

Resonant Serpent
Reaktor has hundreds of ensembles that rely on random functions that can't be captured as MIDI. Only audio. Doesn't matter if you record the midi, because they sound different every time you start them up. That's the point. You play the synth or plug based on what you're hearing and guide it along.
 
My solution so far is to use another program to record the audio, as I hear it, then import back into my host.

Seriously, try the external insert plug-in and two patch cords. I have a feeling you will .  But the WAV recorder sounds like a better solution.
 
Again, let me emphasize I was brought up with modular synths, patch bays, and pedalboards, so patch cords are just part of my reality and I don't get bent out of shape if using them provides a solution. They're also what I use to turn DAWs into live performance loopers with as much delay time as I want, and for hardware processing like crazy stompboxes that have no digital equivalents. Maybe I need to write an article about external inserts not just to benefit SONAR users, but also Ableton Live users who use the Solo button and want to record their live performances.

I make extensive use of the random generator via the modulation matrix in z3ta+, dimpro, and rapture. René Ceballos did some fine work; these synths are very powerful.  I have been using the wave recorder plug for a long time. It does what I need. I react/improvise at the moment with the random generator and imho a thousand bounces will not bring that one moment of beauty back into the light. Maybe those of us that improvise use it in that fashion more than those who don't. I also use bounce to see what possible interesting results might occur but prefer my method of interacting in real time. (would be nice if I could set repeated bounce to 1000 and go to bed) :-)