• SONAR
  • Really incredible that we still can't record a soft synth's output in real time (p.2)
2013/08/07 14:31:46
gswitz
Mike, you made me laugh on a bad day. Thanks!
2013/08/07 14:33:25
sharke
mmorgan
Have gone the feature request route yet? I'd start there and I would agree that it seems like a good thing to be able to do.
 
Regards,




I just submitted one. I have a sneaking sussppiiccion that I may have submitted one months ago, but hey if so another one can't possibly hurt. 
2013/08/07 14:48:24
gswitz
I think I remember other people asking for this over the years. As you can achieve it by using a loop back, I think sonar /cakewalk view it as a lower priority.
2013/08/07 14:58:11
gswitz
I should add that when I started (before) using sonar this was how bounced tracks and it took me a while to get used to using bounce to tracks.
2013/08/07 15:06:46
MachineClaw
the soft synth is not an audio track, it's capturing midi controller data - note played, parameter tweaked etc.
 
why not create another track set to audio and have that source as the output from the synth?
 
you hit record and both tracks record - one records the midi and the audio track records the output of the synth.
 
you can add a bus and capture the bus pre effects even to capture raw audio for mixing later on.
 
 
 
if there is midi data that is not captured and the soft synth is manually tweaked but not recorded then the audio and the midi will not sync cause now the audio track has captured audio of live performance but the midi does not have this data.  could cause some problems later on if you moved things around or had to change up something - not a huge biggy but the two tracks will not be exact.
 
I'm not sure I understand the problem though as the program will do sort of what you are asking to be done.  I think. 
2013/08/07 15:44:09
sharke
MachineClaw
the soft synth is not an audio track, it's capturing midi controller data - note played, parameter tweaked etc. why not create another track set to audio and have that source as the output from the synth? you hit record and both tracks record - one records the midi and the audio track records the output of the synth. you can add a bus and capture the bus pre effects even to capture raw audio for mixing later on.   if there is midi data that is not captured and the soft synth is manually tweaked but not recorded then the audio and the midi will not sync cause now the audio track has captured audio of live performance but the midi does not have this data.  could cause some problems later on if you moved things around or had to change up something - not a huge biggy but the two tracks will not be exact. I'm not sure I understand the problem though as the program will do sort of what you are asking to be done.  I think. 


The problem is that when you set an audio track's input to the soft synth, Sonar removes the record arm button. It's as if it's forbidding you to record the output.
2013/08/07 15:46:30
sharke
gswitz
I think I remember other people asking for this over the years. As you can achieve it by using a loop back, I think sonar /cakewalk view it as a lower priority.


You shouldn't have to use an outside cable to achieve basic routing that should be possible in the DAW. I can't think of any reason why they'd disable it unless there's some inherent design flaw in the program structure that would make its implementation problematic.
2013/08/07 15:46:30
sharke
gswitz
I think I remember other people asking for this over the years. As you can achieve it by using a loop back, I think sonar /cakewalk view it as a lower priority.


You shouldn't have to use an outside cable to achieve basic routing that should be possible in the DAW. I can't think of any reason why they'd disable it unless there's some inherent design flaw in the program structure that would make its implementation problematic.
2013/08/07 15:54:19
mmorgan
Hey sharke: Is there a way for a person to second (i.e. increment..FR++) the FR? Does it take a FR number? If not I'll go submit one also. I think it sounds like solid idea.
 
Regards,
2013/08/07 15:55:08
gswitz
I understand. I also was frustrated by this at one time. My interface has a loop back function, but that isn't too your point .

I actually liked doing real time mixes where I rehearsed the fader movements. Mixing was a different and more reckless art in those days.

Yes, I understand. Yes it would be welcome . No I probably wouldn't use it.
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