Left click-drag on the keyboard will select a note range and doing the same on the time line will restrict the time range...

Right-click-drag in the notes start the click-drag not on a note... After selecting a group if there are notes you don't want, Cotler-click on the individual notes to deselect them...

It's when you're trying to select one or two notes (sometimes selecting half of a single note) out of a bunch that you don't want to touch.. that's when the properties kick in.

No question, I get this very frequently.   It is the foolish choice of "zones" on a midi note .... zoom in and in and in and in, and you can see the cursor change.     I wish they'd realize that midi is different than audio, and we deal with very small units which do not lend themselves to zoning. 

tomixornot

Keni
Unless I'm mistaken, smply click-drag (left)

 
Keni,
 
Left click by itself will position the now time to the location. 
 
Left click+drag will draw a new note on the piano roll.

Left click+drag and click-drag (left) are NOT the same thing.
 
Mel

tomixornot

Keni
Unless I'm mistaken, smply click-drag (left)

 
Keni,
 
Left click by itself will position the now time to the location. 
 
Left click+drag will draw a new note on the piano roll.

Left click+drag and click-drag (left) are NOT the same thing.
 
Mel

williamcopper

It's when you're trying to select one or two notes (sometimes selecting half of a single note) out of a bunch that you don't want to touch.. that's when the properties kick in.

No question, I get this very frequently.   It is the foolish choice of "zones" on a midi note .... zoom in and in and in and in, and you can see the cursor change.     I wish they'd realize that midi is different than audio, and we deal with very small units which do not lend themselves to zoning. 

I don't see an alternative to having zones. A MIDI note's zones are left edge, right edge, main body, and upper strip for adjusting velocity. Which zone would you get rid of? I think you pretty much need a way to extend the beginning, extend the end, move the clip, and adjust velocity.
 

 
If you need a bigger target, doesn't the MIDI Microscope magnify it enough? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm really trying to understand how having four zones is a foolish choice. I just don't see how you could get by with less, and MIDI Microscope takes care of matters when the notes are really tiny.
 
 
 
I don't have a problem. so I can't make a suggestion to the Bakers on how to fix your problem unless I understand what it is.
 

 

tomixornot
I'm at the Smart Tool (star option) most of the time. I just did a test and making sure Smart Tool is selected.. and (edit : right -drag) left+drag did select note range as normal, but I did hit into the properties at least once. And I'm quite sure my hand is steady. It's like the more you range select, Sonar 'got' hinted that is what you want and do the right thing.. :)

You have to right-click and hold the mouse button down, then drag. If you release the mouse button for even a millisecond, if you're not holding the button down firmly, if the contacts are dirty, or if the mouse has an intermittent switch, then the connection will open and the Properties menu will appear. I suppose (but don't know) that if the mouse is a high speed type or maybe even a wireless one, then something could interrupt the switch connection and cause Properties to appear.
 
You might want to try a different mouse and see what happens. They don't last forever, and the switch can be one of the first things to go...and depending on where you live, contacts can oxidize more readily than in other places.
 

Anderton
I don't see an alternative to having zones. A MIDI note's zones are left edge, right edge, main body, and upper strip for adjusting velocity. Which zone would you get rid of? I think you pretty much need a way to extend the beginning, extend the end, move the clip, and adjust velocity.
 

 
If you need a bigger target, doesn't the MIDI Microscope magnify it enough? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm really trying to understand how having four zones is a foolish choice. I just don't see how you could get by with less, and MIDI Microscope takes care of matters when the notes are really tiny.
 
 
 
I don't have a problem. so I can't make a suggestion to the Bakers on how to fix your problem unless I understand what it is.
 

The problem w/ zones is that faffing around w/ the mouse to get the cursor over the 2 pixels that turn the cursor into the tool you need will turn you cross-eyed and the MIDI microscope is enough to give you an aneurysm. I do a ton of MIDI editing and my workflow has been completely shot since I upgraded to Splat and lost user-customizable draw tools. Bringing that feature back is what we need Cakewalk to get on with the quickness. People have been screaming for it on the feedback forum.
 
 

Notecrusher
People have been screaming for it on the feedback forum.

Is this the thread you're referring to? It's the only one I could find.
 
Maybe I'm just not getting it but it seems vague, and the link to something more substantive seems to be broken. Can you give me a use case or how this feature would be configured? I have a feeling that maybe you're on to something but I'm not quite sure what, because I've adapted to the smart tool/MIDI microscope/function keys combination, which works well for me.
 
Perhaps you mean not having to use function keys but having a "pool" of functions you assign to the smart tool? But then you still need zones or something to influence how the smart tool works. I don't see how you could provide multiple functions for a single event without either function keys or zones within notes, and I think going past the current four zones would be unwieldy.
 
Help me out here...it's hard for me to try and imagine a solution for something where I don't have a problem, I need to understand the problem and more importantly, the solution in more detail.

Anderton

Notecrusher
People have been screaming for it on the feedback forum.

Is this the thread you're referring to? It's the only one I could find.
 
Maybe I'm just not getting it but it seems vague, and the link to something more substantive seems to be broken. Can you give me a use case or how this feature would be configured? I have a feeling that maybe you're on to something but I'm not quite sure what, because I've adapted to the smart tool/MIDI microscope/function keys combination, which works well for me.
 
Perhaps you mean not having to use function keys but having a "pool" of functions you assign to the smart tool? But then you still need zones or something to influence how the smart tool works. I don't see how you could provide multiple functions for a single event without either function keys or zones within notes, and I think going past the current four zones would be unwieldy.
 
Help me out here...it's hard for me to try and imagine a solution for something where I don't have a problem, I need to understand the problem and more importantly, the solution in more detail.

There are tons of individual complaints just like this post.
"It makes me nuts that left-click for this tool does this instead of that."
"How I wish right-click-drag worked the way I wanted it too with this other tool."
 
The problem is Cakewalk has provided a one size fits all solution to editing, in particular MIDI editing, by removing the option to user-configure the edit palette.
 
The solution for everyone's issues is bringing back user-configurable tools.
 
Zones are what enables lots of functions to be crammed onto the smart tool. The other tools don't use zones. Any user can fashion a brilliantly useful tool set for their personal workflow by stripping out functions that they don't use or rarely use and just assigning those functions that they use a lot. You basically follow the same philosophy Cake did w/ the tool palette: the smart tool is your general use tool and you suffer zones. The other tools are for certain kinds of precision work where you're only using a few tools and you can access them w/ just the left and right mouse and distinguish further w/ click-dragging, (and I would rather put up w/ shift keys than zones), and you have a few of those bullet tools. But YOU define those tools instead of Cake defining them blindly for you.
 
Hope that clears things up.

Freshly booted PC, opened Sonar, open project, range select notes, properties kicks in. Tried 4 times, same thing happens. By now I was thinking I'm gonna record it on my camcorder.. but by the fifth and above, problem goes away. I do make sure Smart Tool is on. Perhaps my mouse contact wasn't clean and a few click does the trick.