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2015/07/07 06:38:15
Kerigma
Hi,
 
I am a musician teacher and I need to show my students the slight differences between "cromatic temperated 12TET" and "pitagorian temperated" scales.

Then, I need a sequencer where each of the 88 piano notes can be one by one modified in note frequency.

Can SONAR do this?

Thanks for a kind feedback.



Regards,
 
Renato
 
 
2015/07/07 07:11:40
azslow3
In case you are are going to work with recorded piano music, this can be used:
http://helpcenter.celemony.com/editor2/en/singletrack_tutorial_creatingindividualscales.html
Sonar (upper versions) comes with the basic version of it, but you get upgrade discount.
 
For MIDI way, VSTi has to support temperament. For good piano sounds, something like:
https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq_standard
But some not piano specific synths delivered with Sonar support scala microtuning (Rapture, Dimension Pro).
 
2015/07/07 07:15:37
williamcopper
Yes.   It is a two-step thing, first whatever you are using for the piano sound must respond to pitchwheel events in a known way (two semi-tone total bend, for instance, for the entire pitchwheel bend of 16384 ticks, or perhaps two semi-tones up and two down) .    Then for each note in your demonstation, add a pitch wheel command calculated to change the tuning by however many cents you need.     As an example, for a Pythagorean major third, compared to an Equal Tempered major third, compared to a Just Intonation (Harmonic) major third:   the first would bend the third up 8 cents, which would be about 306 ticks for the 2up/2down pitchwheel bend setting; the second, of course, no bend, and the third would bend the third down about 14 cents, or about 540 ticks for the same setting.    The Pythagorean and harmonic tunings are generally a "comma" apart, a little more than 22 cents.
2015/07/07 08:35:13
rebel007
I have Addictive Keys installed and this allows you to choose the tuning you want your keyboard to play (there are many to choose from). You can also change the frequency of each separate note to create your own tuning. Very simple and quick interface.
2015/07/07 09:23:58
williamcopper
I'll just point out that a Temperament, fixed tuning according to a certain scale, is NOT just intonation, which changes depending on harmonic context.   So all the many many pre-tuned scales are pretty useless unless your music sticks to tonic and dominant in one key.
2015/07/07 12:15:57
Beepster
rebel007
I have Addictive Keys installed and this allows you to choose the tuning you want your keyboard to play (there are many to choose from). You can also change the frequency of each separate note to create your own tuning. Very simple and quick interface.




This is likely the best and easiest solution. You can screw with tunings in such a manner in Sonar but with all the quality piano programs out there that allow for all sorts of micro management of such things that would likely be the easiest and automatic way to show a student the differences.
 
Within Sonar... there is the Transpose process which can apply such incremental pitch changes based on user input (semitones and cents). There are other methods but really a good synth would be better and one with presets for the specific tunings even better than that (so you don't have to program anything manually).
 
Cheers.
 
PS: Sonar includes high quality synths that allow micro management of note frequencies so yeah... you could defintiley create your own presets in that manner. Seems like a lot of work but could also be a good exercise for the pupil.
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