• SONAR
  • Craig's EDM loops?? [Now with Audio Demo from Craig] (p.3)
2015/07/05 08:03:00
ShellstaX
<deleted>
2015/07/05 12:39:34
Anderton
Well next time, I'll check with the EDM police to determine what's hip at the moment and what's not.  
 
You gave plenty of examples of EDM artists stretching beyond the conventional boundaries, eschewing loops, and integrating more conventional instruments, which of course was the hot topic at the IMS in Ibiza (which is why I was asked to be on a panel regarding the subject). Interestingly, all the loops were derived from tambourine sounds, so they fit right into adapting traditional instruments in an EDM context.
 
It doesn't matter whether you like or want to use the loops, but one of the reasons I got heavily into EDM back in the 90s was because the community seemed more open-minded...DJs had no problem jamming with me on guitar, but guitarists had a hard time accepting jamming with DJs. I knew which side was more interested in exploration. It just strikes me as condescending to say the loops are "missing the point" but "the effort is appreciated," which at least to me comes across "these loops suck because you know nothing about EDM, but thanks for trying to fake it."
 
FWIW in 1981 I gave a paper at the Audio Engineering Society on what I called "synchro-sonic recording," which foretold and defined the rise of the type of electronic dance music that hit in full force many years later (and which we're still listening to today, over 30 years later). I've been doing a solo EDM act that blends guitar, loops, live mixing, and vocals since 1998. I'm not a tourist, nor am I slumming. I'm not interested in doing what other people are doing...they're already doing it, so I don't need to. 
 
Loops are used for a lot more than EDM, like commercials, soundtracks, and presentations. I don't care about fashion; creative people will use tools creatively. I create what I need for the music I want to make. I make those tools available to others.
 
Right now I'm doing music that's heavily rock-influenced but with a lot of electronics...I'm restless. It's always time to do something different. As I said in my address at the New Music Seminar, the only advice I give people is to be true to themselves...because if they are and are successful, they'll always be successful. If they achieve success through calculation, they'll have to keep calculating for the rest of their lives.
2015/07/05 22:51:58
mixmkr
Anderton
Okay, I put together a quick demo (link is good for 7 days) so you can understand how these percussion loops work in context. The first two and last two measures are a typical electro house-type loop (but at a trance tempo). Every two measures after the beginning, I've inserted a different loop from the library.


I like it !!
2015/07/05 23:35:01
mixmkr
Ok..took me a 1/2 hr to upgrade to Foxboro... time to eat a PB & J.... and Craig's loops add a nice touch to the kind of music I make a lot of the time.  Two tambos...split left/right really tickle the ears in the cans.  Thx Craig!
I've really enjoyed the Cake content.  Now I need to justify if using it is "legal"... or if I need to go out into the woods, chop down a tree and build my own piano ....or not!
© 2026 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1

Use My Existing Forum Account

Use My Social Media Account