I worked on boards that were hard wired...

In actuality they went through a patch bay which is where mults came in so that you could split sends to multiple locations...

I also worked on boards that had buss selection.. Some that allowed multiple sends and some didn't....

Lots of variety...

But we always found and find our work arounds...

Tape machines were typically hard wired to the board's inputs as well, but again through a patch bay where things could be changed...

For me, that's what a studio is. ...a place of versatility!

yorolpal
Bingo! :-)

 
I guess I'm not following what your objection is to using a track send to accomplish the same thing?
A send *is* exactly the same thing as a track output, except that it has an independent gain and pan control (the send pan can be linked to the track pan)
Sending one one output to two destinations simultaneously requires the signal to be split (or two wires if you prefer to imagine it that way) so its really one and the same thing.

yorolpal
Yes Craig...that is what we want to do...we just want to able to pick or create two (or more) " busses" and NOT sends to route the audio of a track out to. We don't want to be limited to one BUS per track. It might all end up at the same place but it's how you get there that matters. I guess those of us who'd like to see this implementation (ala Reaper) don't really get the push back from those who know how to "make it happen" via a workaround in Sonar. Again...just another way to skin a cat. Which, really, is a horrible expression don't you think?

Again you are losing me here. Why are you limited by one bus per track? You can use as many or as few buses as you want. A send is simply a wire connecting one bus to another with a volume and pan pot.

The distinction at this point for Sonar is a track SEND can be pre/post fader, and a track OUTPUT is just post.
 
 
 

It's a simple case of semantics, ol pal. As I alluded in my reply to my original post it's just another way of thinking about and/or implementing the same thing. I, and others, would much prefer just being able to assign a track to multiple busses to achieve the same end. I, if you haven't surmised already, am routing impaired. I would simply like to be able to assign certain tracks in the drum folder of my "normal" template to two busses...one, my regular drum bus, and the other my NYC compression bus. I know I can achieve this using "sends" but, honestly it seems a simpler more intuitive solution to just allow you to route what you want, where you want, the way you understand and how you want to route something. I don't see why you cannot simply assign a track to multiple busses. What would be wrong with that? Again, I've been working within the confines of Sonar for lo these many years and will gladly continue to do so. But what would be hard or wrong with letting us assign a tracks output to multiple busses?

I would remind you that Cake offers us myriad ways of accomplishing the very same tasks in almost every facet of the program...so why not here as well?

Nothing wrong with it - we just didnt implement it that way since sends are a more flexible way of doing exactly the same thing since they give you a gainstage.
But I think I can see your point - if you don't ever need a gainstage then the sends are extra clutter. Essentially you want the post fader track output to go to multiple destinations.
Of course the UI would have to be set up to understand that and there would be backwards compatibility implications but you wouldn't want to bother yourself with those details :)

Absolutely right :-)

When you're a dimwit like me details are your least concern!

A couple of years ago Jonus posted a link to his template that SENT various tracks to multiple buses with NO track output for exactly this purpose.
 
I do use the gain of the SENDs at times.
 
So::: how would this work?
Add an output, like adding a send?
How would that be displayed in the inspector, in the CV?
 
How about using a "Pop Up" on tracks and buses that displays all buses with check boxes to enable
 

Don't be too hard on yourself ol' pal. It's all magic and broomsticks to me too. Time for a martini and getting through the next episode of Downton Abbey. 

Plus Noel has stayed up past his bedtime....it's after midnight in Beantown:-)