I've been a NI Kontakt user for years and understand the principle of multiple outputs from Kontakt and the inserting the vst with multiple outputs for tracks.  I've set up track templates and project templates for fast implementation.  Although, I just now started experiencing this issue. I've contact Cakewalk about it and they feel it's a Kontackt output issue.  I've created a screencast of the process to better understand the issue. The process I go through is to insert the Kontak5 vst (64bit) I select all synth audio out stereo and get an instance of Kontkt5 with all the appropriate outputs in the tracks. You'll see that when I add the outputs with in Kontakt they are not fulling assigning to the track outputs. They are assigned properly from outputs/tracks 1-5 but, starting with 6 they get mixed up with outputs 7 & 8 and upward. Rendering the higher outputs unusable.  I've re-installed the latest version of Kontakt5 5.0.3 and still have the issue.  Any thoughts or help would be appreciated. I'm pressed for time for large orchestral trailer project.  Thank you.  Link to Screencast: http://youtu.be/rLmskrQgEa8

I have Kontakt 5.0.3.5812

in standalone i can select either stereo 1/2, or 3/4, or my spdif outs 5/6

I have not used this in a sonar project as yet, but as a vst, no matter whether i instantiate Kontakt, Kontakt 8 out or kontakt 16 out i can only see stereo outs 1/2 in the vst window.. when i try to add other stereo outs it does not show the higher ch as being available...so while i can't help you, i can see certainly something appears to be iffy...

hopefully another kontakt user is in here today!

I have been a long-time NI user and have Kontakt 5 currently running -x64.

I use multiple instruments in Kontakt all the time, but I reset all of the output channels using that batch function to clear the output section and recreate channels with 1 stereo channel for each loaded instrument.

I then rename them to match easy to read output channel names, like PIano, Bass, Organ, etc.  That makes for easier reading at a glance for me back in the assignments in the console.

Also, when I insert Kontakt 5 into the rack, I do NOT tall Sonar to create tracks for all of the outputs supported by K 5.

Instead, I manually insert 1 pair or tracks for each loaded instrument, 1 audio and 1 midi, so that they are ordered like:

T1 - Audio
T2 - Midi

T3 - Audio
T4 - Midi

And then each is paired appropriately associated with each of the instruments.  I do it this way because I like to that kind of order.

The process would certainly be quicker if I just told it to do it on insert of K 5, but it's really not a big deal to do time-wise.

In addition, everything is nicely named for me, which helps out a lot, and doing the above is a one-time deal per project.

I NEVER have problems with any outputs getting mixed up, or accidentally leave a bunch of unused tracks that got inserted just because the instrument supports having them.

Give it a try - I think you will find it a reasonable outcome for a reasonable amount of time, with zero problems stemming from doing it that way.

Bob Bone

okay..figured it

instantiate kontakt 16 out with all stereo outs.

You need to unassign the aux outputs prior to assigning stereo outs above stereo 1
 
To unassign aux outputs:
bring up the kontakt output section
click on aux 1 bus and re-route 1/2 to -not connected-
repeat for aux 2, 3, 4
To add stereo ch 2-8
in output section click add channel,
since st 1 is used (shown) select aux 1
hit ok..st 2 appears, click add channel, and repeat to the following
st 3 > aux 2
st 4 > aux 3
st 5 > aux 4
st 6 > unassigned 1
st 7 > unassigned 3
st 8 > unassigned 5

you will have st 1 - st 8 available and aux 1-4 unassigned..remember to save as template for kontakt 16

Yeah, I went that route long ago, and then just chose to switch to what I outlined above - doing it the way you provided, you still then have to back to each instrument and reassign each output, as by default they all get set to ST 1.  In addition, you then have to go delete whatever unused tracks it created for instruments you didn't load.

I found myself making too many mistakes the other way, by usually having forgotten to change one or more instrument outputs, so that multiple instruments were routed to ST 1.

Anyway- personal preference.

Bob Bone

Yeah Mystic,  My stand alone Kontakt 5 works fine.  All the outputs assign to my Motu 828mk3 just fine.  It's just within SonarX2.  And I just tested it with SonarX1 too.  The same thing is occurring.  I think it's a Kontakt issue.  

Robert.  I use the batch assignment too.  I was just using the individual assignments in the screencast to be specific.  I love the batch assignment.  Great time saver.  

Thanks guys. 

Bob Bone is correct.  :)

YAY - I got a vote?  WHEE

I just duplicated the error on my system, and couldn't tell you if is K 5 or Sonar or both.

I think I went through this a long time ago, and just concluded to use the max 'goodness' that I could for one instance of K 5, and decided then to just use an additional instance of Kontakt 5 anytime I got over 5 instruments at a time.

By limiting any 1 instance of Kontakt 5 to only using up to 5 instruments, I avoided that whole problem.  Since the first 5 ALWAYS work, I just bought 32 GB of mermory for my computer and quit caring about how many Kontakt 5's I had running in any 1 project.

Try just using a second instance of Kontakt 5.  It works just fine, you just assign the Midi Tracks for those instruments to point to Kontakt 5 2, which is the second instance.  Same with the audio track assignments.

The above works like a champ, and I just haven't had to deal with any problems for a long long long time.

So, give that a shot, 

Bob Bone

Yeah - I just watched some more of your video, where you are adding channels and all of that nonsense.

I would have finished my recording session by the time you finished all of that.

Just throw a 2nd Kontakt 5 into the rack, do the batch reset/create on the output channels and be done with it.

All of your track assignments would just work - EVERY TIME.

Bob Bone

@bob.. given i stated i so far have not used kontakt a huge amount it was not attempting to show ways of using kontakt..I was simply addressing output assignments with my prior post.. ie the problem at hand. :)


regardless...

I cannot reproduce the same problem here... the only difference i see in what i did vs curt's video is that i unassigned the aux outputs prior to setting up the st2-8 (and note i saved this back as default output settings for the kontakt16 so it simply pops up correct each time)...then, to follow along I added an additional 7 midi ch and paired them up so st1 l/r with midi 1 > st8 l/r with midi 8 so as you would expect a midi/audio pair per instrument.. loaded up 8 instruments and all is fine...

again, i simply do not see that confusion in output pairings...anyway, given i did all of this, at least i saved a decent track template in the process of trying to help...:)