Anderton

Beepster
The young electronic artists fully understand the advantages of having live instruments interspersed amongst the "zip, zaps, blaps" and "ooglety bloozles".

This is very, very true. The theme of this year's International Music Summit in Ibiza, which is concerned solely with EDM, was "Back2Live" because of the trend of traditional instruments being integrated with electronics. Some examples:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykdvLAfG7gY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeCRfv_M35w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyiemSg_Tv8

I've listened to some of your own work and you seem to find a good marriage between styles and techniques. You've been doing this far longer than most of us and likely have a couple decades on me so it's more evidence that age matters not.
 
To imply otherwise is really quite insulting... from both ends of the spectrum methinks. When and if I ever get a proper studio together and fulfill my delusions of becoming a real "producer" (and I am indeed more interested in producing than "engineering") that type of agism and genreism would be an immediate ticket out the fracking door.
 
I have no patience for close minded musicians. I had enough of that in the punk and metal scenes. I will deal with a bit of that FROM those types of musicians because that's my wheelhouse and I enjoy the music but I have always tried to press those folks into opening their minds. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. And I only do that because of my severe affection for specific people in those sub genres.
 
For anything else... nope. I have better things to put my time and effort towards and am perhaps getting too old to fight the intellectual battles involved when people are convinced THEIR style of music is the ONLY style of music.

I don't think it's so much Sonar caters to the 40+ crowd as that just happens to be the crowd that is most vocal on these boards. If I had to guess the intended target, I would go with the broad "everybody" category. There are plenty of tools that can be used in any genre without focusing too heavily on one. Making classical with FL would be a pain, but it craps on Sonar for the current popular style of hip-hop. At the end of the day you could still do everything done in FL with Sonar with the exception of a few mangling plugins like grossbeat which could be achieved with third party plugs.

dantarbill

 

I didn't know anything about the editing style in Vegas vs Adobe Premiere.

Who knew that some equate Cubase with porno?  Is that how they got all their users?You gotta love it!

Part of why they are so different is because Vegas is a video editor built on top of a multi-track audio program and it feels like it. Most video programs either follow the keyboard shortcut editing style of Avid or the Premiere Pro/ Final Cut timeline focused style. Vegas is more similar to the latter but still feels like an audio progam that does video. There are some advantages to that approach and imho, one of them is ease of use.

There was a YouTube video that showed up in my recommended list a few years ago that was titled something like "Mix session with ..." [Some hip hop star] about 1.5 hours long. Not my genre, so really didn't pay attention and let it auto start. When I looked up about 5 minutes into it, over the shoulder of the engineer was SONAR X1 on the monitor.

It gave me a chuckle, but the best part was this was not an advertisement for any DAW... I just happened to catch it.

Beepster
 
I've listened to some of your own work and you seem to find a good marriage between styles and techniques. You've been doing this far longer than most of us and likely have a couple decades on me so it's more evidence that age matters not.

 
The music on my YouTube channel is admittedly more mainstream. A project like the Battery Park compilations, "Time-Stretch Paradise," or my live solo act go far more into the electronic end of the spectrum. Then again, I got mastering gigs because people liked the mastering I did on several classical music projects...which I love, even if the music is 300 years old. (And no, I was not there at the time.)
 
But indeed, age matters not...being addicted to music is what matters. I'm always looking for a more potent high   In the early 80s I did an album called "Trances and Dances" prior to my AES talk on Synchro-Sonic recording in 1981 that foretold the rise of today's strain of dance music...so in the late 90s it was easy to slide into the whole Euro EDM thing. I'm just as happy listening to Jimi Hendrix or Bach or John Coltrane or Carl Cox.
 

I have better things to put my time and effort towards and am perhaps getting too old to fight the intellectual battles involved when people are convinced THEIR style of music is the ONLY style of music.

 
Well, I have no respect for anyone who's not into Finnish death metal whaling songs. C'mon, Beepster, how can you be so terminally unhip?!? You officially have no more credibility with me.

mettelus
There was a YouTube video that showed up in my recommended list a few years ago that was titled something like "Mix session with ..." [Some hip hop star] about 1.5 hours long. Not my genre, so really didn't pay attention and let it auto start. When I looked up about 5 minutes into it, over the shoulder of the engineer was SONAR X1 on the monitor.

It gave me a chuckle, but the best part was this was not an advertisement for any DAW... I just happened to catch it.

Funny!! And I'm not the only person who tracked with Pro Tools in the studio, then took the wav files home for editing in SONAR. Just don't tell the clients...

Anderton
 
Well, I have no respect for anyone who's not into Finnish death metal whaling songs. C'mon, Beepster, how can you be so terminally unhip?!? You officially have no more credibility with me.

If you heard what I am quite literally in the middle of tracking you'd understand how funny this statement is.
 
lulzity...
 
;-)

40+ people are generally the people who can afford to set up a home studio.  These are also the people who buy Broadway tickets and other arts-oriented luxuries.

Lemme see
$79 mic
$75 mic stand 
$10 pop stopper
$129 Scarlett 2i2
~$500 existing multi-use computer 
$300 JBL LSR305 (where the money went)
$30/month Plat membership
$75 existing Sony MDR-7506 cans
~$50-60 Those foam thingies for the speakers
My desk is the top of an executive desk on two file cabinets..
 
Pretty much a shoestring budget...

Anderton

mettelus
There was a YouTube video that showed up in my recommended list a few years ago that was titled something like "Mix session with ..." [Some hip hop star] about 1.5 hours long. Not my genre, so really didn't pay attention and let it auto start. When I looked up about 5 minutes into it, over the shoulder of the engineer was SONAR X1 on the monitor.

It gave me a chuckle, but the best part was this was not an advertisement for any DAW... I just happened to catch it.

Funny!! And I'm not the only person who tracked with Pro Tools in the studio, then took the wav files home for editing in SONAR. Just don't tell the clients...

I actually do this quite a bit. Most of the "younger crowd" i deal with, is on the PT wagon (not that im saying its a bad program) or uses Logic or a cracked version of Adobe Audition (the same CD of the program seemed to make its way around the whole city to all the aspiring engineers.) Who then usually come to me anyways for mixing etc.. Most have never heard of Sonar and kind of pass it off when i tell them what DAW i use. But to see the look on their faces when they get it back is great :). Ill visit their home studios sometimes to help give pointers on their recording and even run their DAWs for them during recording, then i usually export to wave nd take it to Sonar for mixing.