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2015/06/24 16:32:56
thefyn
Go to 10 mins and 22 seconds:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5XgkvGuSE
 
What is the best way in Sonar to check this on two separate tracks?  
2015/06/24 17:04:50
Karyn
He's adding a delay to move one track in time by a handful of sample.
 
In Sonar the standard way would be to zoom in so you can see the wave forms and then just nudge one of the clips until they're in phase.
 
 
2015/06/24 18:21:16
finalymetten
You can do it in a similar way in Sonar. If you got the Advanced Workshop: Modern Drum Production Andrew explains it in Part 6: PHASE ALIGNING DRUMS.
 
To get the length of the delay zoom in and select the region between the starting points of an impulse as he did it in video. Right-click -> “Split at selection”. If you select that small clip you can read out the length of the delay in the clip properties in the inspector panel. Time format should be samples. Hit undo to remove the splits in the clips and Insert a Sample delay (Channel Tools) in the (DI) track an insert the obtained samples.
2015/06/25 07:53:15
thefyn
Karyn
He's adding a delay to move one track in time by a handful of sample.
 
In Sonar the standard way would be to zoom in so you can see the wave forms and then just nudge one of the clips until they're in phase.
 
 




That is how I attempted it, but the GUI would not allow me (I could not figure it out) to zoom in on two separate tracks to that degree, with the waves directly above each other.  Is there a different track view that allows for this?  
 
Can you upload a screenshot of you doing this on different tracks?  I want to have the vertical timeline to intersect both zoomed in tracks on the peak of one wave so I can shift the other track to mimic it.
 
 
2015/06/25 07:54:06
thefyn
finalymetten
You can do it in a similar way in Sonar. If you got the Advanced Workshop: Modern Drum Production Andrew explains it in Part 6: PHASE ALIGNING DRUMS.
 
To get the length of the delay zoom in and select the region between the starting points of an impulse as he did it in video. Right-click -> “Split at selection”. If you select that small clip you can read out the length of the delay in the clip properties in the inspector panel. Time format should be samples. Hit undo to remove the splits in the clips and Insert a Sample delay (Channel Tools) in the (DI) track an insert the obtained samples.




Thanks.  I don't have the vid, but it sounds thorough. 
2015/06/25 08:16:30
Karyn
thefyn
Karyn
He's adding a delay to move one track in time by a handful of sample.
 
In Sonar the standard way would be to zoom in so you can see the wave forms and then just nudge one of the clips until they're in phase.
 
 




That is how I attempted it, but the GUI would not allow me (I could not figure it out) to zoom in on two separate tracks to that degree, with the waves directly above each other.  Is there a different track view that allows for this?  
 
Can you upload a screenshot of you doing this on different tracks?  I want to have the vertical timeline to intersect both zoomed in tracks on the peak of one wave so I can shift the other track to mimic it.
 
 


I'm at work, not at my DAW, but I can talk you though it.
 
In normal track view with snap turned OFF.
 
on the left of the clips, drag one track to just below (or above) the track you want to match to.
Grabbing the bottom edge of the track header, drag down to make it bigger (maybe to half screen size).
Repeat this with the second track so you have both tracks really big.
Click in the timeline to place the nowtime marker at a sensible place, then using the zoom buttons (bottom right of track window) zoom in until you see the wave forms clearly.
Reposition the nowtime marker to a good (easily recognisable) point on one of the waveforms.
Grab the second clip and drag it so the wave aligns at the same point on the nowtime marker.
 
When you've done this a few times it becomes automatic and only takes a couple of seconds.  Quicker than inserting delays and calculating sample offsets.
Because you're aligning to the nowtime marker you can get it just as accurate as any of the other methods.
 
If you're using this method to align two sources, eg, a DI and a miced input, start by joining any individual clips in the track you're going to move else you'll have to align each one individually.  You can always split it up again later when you edit.
2015/06/25 09:17:10
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
BTW, channel tools is slick and handy for delaying an entire track (or clip if you use clip FX) by a few samples ... and it's non-destructive ... so you can use that for checking / fixing phase issues before you go moving clips around ...
 
BTW, I use channel tools delay by a few samples often as a quick fix for sloppy performance until I get the chance to re-record the performance (mainly for "rushed" performances or demos of how it would sound / feel if the performer did just back off a little bit) ...
2015/06/26 14:09:56
thefyn
Thanks guys.  I ended up getting close enough to make it work.  Some great advice.
 
Just one last thing:  If I have recorded in stereo, and that is listed in one stereo track:  How do I separate those tracks into two mono tracks without exporting them as mono files?
 
2015/06/26 14:32:21
scook
Select the track
From the Track View Tracks Menu select "Bounce to Track(s)"
In the "Bounce To Tracks" dialog
  • Set the "Source Category" to Tracks
  • Set "Channel Format" to "Split Mono"
  • Click OK.
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