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2015/05/22 14:11:53
rezab
Then don't use it, or am I not understanding you?
 
I am very excited and for its potential uses, hopes it pannes out as I have it brain poo'd.
2015/05/22 15:09:52
Beepster
joden
Only question I have is why? Plenty of tools already.




It seems to be a massive workflow speed up tool and perhaps more precise/dedicated/easier to use than Audiosnap or manually slicing and dicing.
 
Really there AREN'T that many tools. There are two tools (Audiosnap and ARA) and manual techniques but they are mostly confusing, cumbersome and time consuming. I'd have to see it in action but if I'm interpreting this correctly it will be an improvement.
 
Example... I've got a live drum track. Drummer flubbed a snare hit. I snag a hit from somewhere else in the track and slide it in replacing the flub. Of course I could do that using copy/pasta but then I gotta fiddle with it manually.
 
Creative possibility... I like my drum track but I want to twist it into an electronic mess for a few bars using samples (like an 808). I select the area and slide in the samples. Done. Otherwise I'd have to do a bunch of other bullpuckery to make that happen.
 
This has all been rather vague though. Waiting for a vid to show what it ACTUALLY does.
 
Edit: Just looking over that info again and really is difficult to figure out exactly what the heck this thing does or how it works. Seriously hope some more info is on the way soon. Ya'll just teasin' with that page!
2015/05/22 15:34:09
Razorwit
Beepster
 Of course I could do that using copy/pasta but then I gotta fiddle with it manually.
 

 
Mmm....copy pasta....add some tomato, artichoke hearts, and garlic. Tasty. You do hafta fiddle with it manually though.
 

 
Dean
2015/05/22 15:51:49
Beepster
Razorwit
Beepster
 Of course I could do that using copy/pasta but then I gotta fiddle with it manually.
 

 
Mmm....copy pasta....add some tomato, artichoke hearts, and garlic. Tasty. You do hafta fiddle with it manually though.
 

 
Dean





 
2015/05/22 15:58:40
bluzdog
jbow
I was reading a comparison of Drumagog and Trigger 2? (I think it was called Trigger 2). Either  or both of them said it could use drums from any drum program like EDrummer SD2 ADD2 and others to replace drums in a recorded drum track where there is too much bleed or other problems.
I hope it will be simple, easy to use, and able to use any drum sample available. I imagine it will be.
Workflow, it matters.
 
J




I have never used Drumagog but Trigger and Tigger 2 can only use Slate Samples. You can export midi to trigger (pun intended) other programs. Bleed has never been a problem and it's pretty intuitive. I am looking forward to Cake's release.
 
Rocky
2015/05/22 16:32:15
konradh
This sounds fantastic. About 1,400 years ago, we replaced drum tracks with trigger inputs on the back of a Linn Drummer Computer (LM-1) and later a Linn Drum.  This new product is something that could really save a record (or an engineer).  Thanks!
2015/05/22 22:18:13
pharohoknaughty
In the late 1990's or early 2000s I was recording live drummers, and I ran into a program called Drumagog. It was a drum replacer, one of the first.
 
Drumagog was a lifesaver. The designer made it so that even if an exactly equal drum was sensed, the program would rotate various samples with minute differences. The program had internal samples instead of sending a MIDI output. (Although it might have also had MIDI, I don't remember). The results were a very real sounding drumset.
 
For instance, I recorded a drummer who was so proud of his DW drumset, but actually it sounded hollow. So I "Drumagoged" the bass and snare with a replacement DW kit from the Drumagog library. Wow this worked great. And my drummer thought his DW drums sounded fantastic. He never knew I replaced his miced up drums.
 
Drumagog was a new program back then, and it was a one person developer. So it was a little buggy, but the developer was really anxious to resolve issues.
 
I don't record acoustic drums anymore, but if I did, drum replacement would be my game.
2015/05/22 23:18:15
karhide
bluzdog
jbow
I was reading a comparison of Drumagog and Trigger 2? (I think it was called Trigger 2). Either  or both of them said it could use drums from any drum program like EDrummer SD2 ADD2 and others to replace drums in a recorded drum track where there is too much bleed or other problems.
I hope it will be simple, easy to use, and able to use any drum sample available. I imagine it will be.
Workflow, it matters.
 
J




I have never used Drumagog but Trigger and Tigger 2 can only use Slate Samples. You can export midi to trigger (pun intended) other programs. Bleed has never been a problem and it's pretty intuitive. I am looking forward to Cake's release.
 
Rocky




That's not true because Slate also released an editor that allows you to user your own samples.
2015/05/23 08:13:11
Kamikaze
I wonder if it would be feasible to record a kit with some overheads and supplement the bottom of the kit through this process with good results.
2015/05/23 12:07:24
Jesse G
My question too, will this be an upgrade in Sonar Platinum as a free download, or will this cost the Sonar Platinum users some $$.
 
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