This thread sure took a left turn.

Anderton
Actually, Sufi mystics invented trance in the 1200s. But I'm sure they weren't the first.

Are you being serious or jovial?
Regardless, i take your point, music has been around since year dot, and thumping tribal beats go a long way back before Krafwerk, as i've always said "There's nothing new under the sun"
 
Thumping tribal beats plus electronic zing-bling = Modern EDM in all it's guises.

Drone7

Spencer
As for rockit, there was a ton of techno and italo disco made before that, among other things. It hardly "started everything".
 

 
Not sure how you include "italo disco" as dance music in the sense of EDM, but anyway. And if you can point me to anything that remotely sounds like "modern Techno" pre (Rockit 1983), go ahead. Mantronix followed not long after with the "Rockit" sound.
 
As far as i'm concerned "Hardhouse" was the original Techno as we know it today... early 90's, then all the spin-offs took their cue from that, Trance, Jungle, Happy Hardcore, Dubstep etc, and now the slew of 'me too' 'sub-genres' that we have these days which i deem as more 'experimental', i don't see them as legit "genres". Hardhouse was the original "four to the floor" Genre, and the fact that it still very much thrives today is a big testament to being the grand-daddy foundation of EDM.
 
I don't follow any particular producers when it comes to Hardhouse, too many out there, i simply follow the scent and feed off the palette. Looking for whichever track nails it. The only time i've heard Hardhouse reach 150bpm was when the DJ was high or drunk and abusing his BPM slider on the Record Player. Happy Hardcore might regularly reach 150bpm though. I find most Hardhouse sits around a sensible 140-144bpm mostly.

italo is just that: electronic dance music. it's 100% synths + drum machine + bad singer. it's the first commercially successful type of edm. as for pre 1983 techno, ever heard of juan atkins? rockit isn't really techno anyway, it's more electro
 
from what I gather here I think you might be confusing hard house with rave aka hardcore, which in any case happened much later than either techno or electro (or actual house for that matter). might wanna take a look at ishkur's site.
 
and once your done with that actually, might wanna follow my suggestion and look into one of the only edm producers ever actually worth remembering the name of and not just passing by his tunes in some dj sets: BT.

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Before people start to speculate why I edited Craig's post, well I screwed up and I've PM'd Craig to apologise about it. A simple mix up with the edit and quote buttons which are very near each other on the cellphone version of these forums..

Consider this a public apology as well for editing Craig's wisdom. Sorry.

I'm fascinated to see how far off-topic this will go before it's moved!
 
-Susan

 
 
Maybe there's nowhere for it to go
 
 
 
 

Spencer
as for pre 1983 techno, ever heard of juan atkins? rockit isn't really techno anyway, it's more electro
 
from what I gather here I think you might be confusing hard house with rave aka hardcore, which in any case happened much later than either techno or electro (or actual house for that matter). might wanna take a look at ishkur's site.
 
and once your done with that actually, might wanna follow my suggestion and look into one of the only edm producers ever actually worth remembering the name of and not just passing by his tunes in some dj sets: BT.

 
Why do you cite Juan Atkins in relation to pre 1983? I wouldn't call his music Techno, far from it. Anyway, Atkins began recording as "Model 500" in 1985, before that, he was a nobody.
 
Also, how is it that you say Hardhouse emerged "much later" than Techno?
 
The first 'modern' form of Techno we know of was Detroit Techno, right? This was the form of electronic dance music that emerged in Detroit during the MID-TO-LATE 1980s. Herbie Hancock was definitely the forerunner of that, because "Rockit" was the first form of this music to hit the Charts.
 
As far as i'm concerned, Detroit Techno morphed into Hardhouse within a year or so, not long after; i can hear the DNA of Detroit Techno in Hardhouse; it seems that Detroit Techno was the forbear, the precursor to Hardhouse. The other guises of EDM we have today are simply a spin-off from Hardhouse as far as i'm concerned.
 
So let's see. Wikipedia... "The first recorded use of the word Techno in reference to a specific genre of music was in 1988. Many styles of techno now exist, but Detroit techno is seen as the foundation upon which a number of subgenres have been built."
 
There you have it! I know Hardhouse emerged around 1990, 2 years later, very similar but sounding slightly more palatable/mainstream than Detroit Techno, and with less of the raw 'underground' sound to it. One might even say that the music group "New Order" gave us the Modern Hardhouse sound we know today. Between "New Order" (Blue Monday -1983) and Herbie Hancock (Rockit - 1983) we have our founding forfathers for the music we have today known as EDM-Pop. These two (New Order) and (Herbie Hancock) got to the charts with it first, and that makes them the grand-daddys in my books.

CakeAlexS
Before people start to speculate why I edited Craig's post, well I screwed up and I've PM'd Craig to apologise about it. A simple mix up with the edit and quote buttons which are very near each other on the cellphone version of these forums..

Consider this a public apology as well for editing Craig's wisdom. Sorry.

No, you were right to edit it, and especially to remove the schematics. I got overly excited at discovering anti-gravity, but as your PM said, how would I know this power would be used only for good? I simply wasn't thinking.

Drone7

Anderton
Actually, Sufi mystics invented trance in the 1200s. But I'm sure they weren't the first.

Are you being serious or jovial?
 

I gave a fairly lengthy answer but it was deleted by accident and I can't spend the time now. First, I corrected myself - Sufi trance music has been passed down for about 1200 years, so it was actually invented sometime back in 800 AD. 
 
Sufi is the mystical branch of Islam and its tenets are self-discovery, healing of the heart through study with a master, and love of God. Music, dance, and various rituals that aren't that different from all-night raves are considered pathways to achieving these goals. A little search engine time with keywords like "sufi joujouka trance" will turn up some interesting material on the tenets of this particular sect and how music fits in with it.
 
The most recent surge in interest came when Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones recorded the master pan pipers of Joujouka. There are plenty of places a four on the floor kick would fit in perfectly