charlyg
 
If you say we all use organic instruments, why the multitude of things(including tutorial videos that could have used any style) seemingly geared to electronica?
 
MY gripe is really more against the videos, and lack of clear clean steps on working with loops. I am getting it slowly, thanks to you guys and the videos, but I am WAY more right brained. Too many years as a technician.....

the tutorial video just released by sonar ISW geared towards acoustic drums.  the drum replacement ,module is geared towards acoustic drums.  The reason you see a lot more tutorial vids geared towards electronic styles is because odds a re good a long time guitar player is oing to be more confused about how to program a synth for a genre that did no exist ten years ago than  it is that he will be about how to record his own guitar.  if you notice, most of the tutorial videos are not about music or audio engineering basics or even how t owor ka DAW in general.  they are mostly geared to unique aspects within Sonar.

dubdisciple

charlyg
 
If you say we all use organic instruments, why the multitude of things(including tutorial videos that could have used any style) seemingly geared to electronica?
 
MY gripe is really more against the videos, and lack of clear clean steps on working with loops. I am getting it slowly, thanks to you guys and the videos, but I am WAY more right brained. Too many years as a technician.....

the tutorial video just released by sonar ISW geared towards acoustic drums.  the drum replacement ,module is geared towards acoustic drums.  The reason you see a lot more tutorial vids geared towards electronic styles is because odds a re good a long time guitar player is oing to be more confused about how to program a synth for a genre that did no exist ten years ago than  it is that he will be about how to record his own guitar.  if you notice, most of the tutorial videos are not about music or audio engineering basics or even how t owor ka DAW in general.  they are mostly geared to unique aspects within Sonar.

The above is the way I would have answered the OP. I was thinking how easy it is to record audio. It doesn't matter what one uses from a smart phone to pocket digital recorders. A DAW makes it even simpler. MIDI on the other hand is not something most people know about. It can be learned but it'll take a little work. 

It sounds good to say we just got the drum replacer, and this new acoustic drum video. However, in digging a little deeper, one is about recording live drums, and one is about making a drum part out of transients. Drum Loops? not so much. 
 
Is it really about midi, or about KISS? have rhythm track. make drum loop in EZD2, drag into Sonar. Someone could have mentioned, just because I watched the AD2 video, it doesn't mean EZD2 works the same way. Can you say Groove clip?

charlyg
It sounds good to say we just got the drum replacer, and this new acoustic drum video. However, in digging a little deeper, one is about recording live drums, and one is about making a drum part out of transients. Drum Loops? not so much. 
 
Is it really about midi, or about KISS? have rhythm track. make drum loop in EZD2, drag into Sonar. Someone could have mentioned, just because I watched the AD2 video, it doesn't mean EZD2 works the same way. Can you say Groove clip?

I not understanding what you are trying to convey. This is a peer to peer forum. If you have a specific question we will do our best to answer. If its something else its unlikely we can help you.  

All I'm saying is, with all of it's flexibility, comes a bit of confusion for some, not bad, not good, just is..
 
I tried to watch the University videos, but the guy's voice drives me crazy. He over accents every other word. NOw I remember why I bought the Groove 3 vids, I can handle the voice. I would rather listen to let's go ahead at every step(not that Groove 3 does that) then the up and down thingy. Not a big deal, but if I'm trying to learn, I don't need a voice that brings stress!

Kamikaze
So for music to be called organic, surely it means derived from a living performance, no matter what that is on. And the same for an organic instrument. A synth can be mechanic or organic in that case.

That is a pretty good distinction. There is a difference between a human performance on a cybernetic/digital instrument and a performing robot. Most of us have more or less accepted the drum machine as a way of making music, without being too upset that it replaces a human performer with a computer program. A perforated strip of paper or metal disk was being used to control elaborate music boxes that made their music by mechanically thumping drums or bells or controlling a piano for well over 200 years.
 
But the organic appellation begs the question of what it means to have a human performance. Although player piano rolls could be cut from a live performance on a keyboard, and thus the early copyright cases involving recording rights actually hinged on that recording medium, those control devices and modern equivalents like MIDI files could also be fashioned one note at a time over an indefinite period. Surely such a file created by deliberately editing events by a human artist is more organic than a drum machine. Even assembling a loop collection, like a collage in visual art, represents a collection of artistic choices that closely resembles a performance. Does it make a difference if a DJ triggers samples in real time or a loop composer does the same thing over a week? Is one a performance and the other not? And if a human being "programs" a drum machine, do the choices he makes in the settings available to him render the robot's performance "organic?"

Great point about the manually editing. Even with the step sequencer interface. which can easily create the most robotic of drum rhythm even with the best sampled drums say brushes. It allows for tweaking to make it sound as though a person performed it live. Some people want the former, some the latter, but both are possible.
 
When playing a synth from my wind controller, I often seek to make it sound as natural as possible, adding subtle movement. The same synth can be programmed to create crazy in your face sounds, but with a good synth, again both options are their, depends what you want. 
 
 

charlyg
All I'm saying is, with all of it's flexibility, comes a bit of confusion for some, not bad, not good, just is..
 
I tried to watch the University videos, but the guy's voice drives me crazy. He over accents every other word. NOw I remember why I bought the Groove 3 vids, I can handle the voice. I would rather listen to let's go ahead at every step(not that Groove 3 does that) then the up and down thingy. Not a big deal, but if I'm trying to learn, I don't need a voice that brings stress!

Funny I watched too much of Eli's videos, and for my ear, he sounds like Kermit's big brother. Years ago the SWA vids were done by a Scot with to my ear, a neutral sounding (Nice Edinburgh I guess) accent, but Americans were protesting about it. Now Karl Rose (FastbikerBoy on here) does them, and he's about as English as English can sound. I also find some of the Sonar guys accents a bit strong for my ears. BUt this is always going to be the case, depends where you bare from, and we are from everywhere, so how can they win.
 
As an English teacher I often here American criticisms of the British being hard to understand and a perception the American is universally easy for everyone. The amrican teacher next door to me (twice a week) from Missouri is teaching 8 years olds, and sometime I can't get the word he is saying over and over.  

I can't find the post where I listed multiple articles on working with loops...it's in here somewhere...
 
Anyway, if you can give a specific question (e.g., by "editing loops," do you mean making them so they stretch over a a wide range, follow pitch shifts, or what?), I'm very much into loops and could likely provide an answer.

BobF
To me is not the instrument and synth choice as much as the overall composition.

 
Absolutely.