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2018/04/12 16:22:35
iRelevant
fresh101
Mmmmmm....Yeah...It kinda was.
iRelevant
What you are showing here is ironically the MIDI only prototype circulating the Interweb in the latter part of '97.
The marketing was "lone independent developer takes on the corporations" with shareware. "The only shareware worth paying for".
PS. I appreciate your initiative, but think it still is to early to make a push for CB. 
 

Look, I'm not hating on FLStudio. I was one of the few people championing it around version 4 or 5 when it really got some legs.  But you have to understand, Cakewalk, Cubase, Protools etc, were full fledged DAWS in the late 90's. While FL was still teething. Those early years and funny sounding name kinda gave it a bad rep (maybe an unfair one but still). A rep that I for one am very happy it was able to shake.
 

I'm not saying you do, and couldn't care less if you did. I was using FL 1.0 and it's ever evolving iterations. I never viewed FL as a DAW, but as a sequencer. And a very capable one at that.
2018/04/12 16:43:43
iRelevant
fresh101
pwalpwal
you should promote cakewalk by highlighting its good points, not by trashing the competition


[...] It's really an underdog story with a happy ending.
[...] 

I don't buy that story. It's just fake marketing.
 
2018/04/12 16:51:53
stratman70
fresh101
Why is this notion facing so much resistance? Do we want Cakewalk/Bandlab to fail?
 
All I'm asking you to do is say "Hey, Cakewalk is a great Daw...You should give it a try...oh, and by the it's free now too"
Some of you guys act like I'm asking people to give blood or something. sheesh!


 
Perhaps because you have said it a zillion times already. we are not children. We get it. Chill...Wow!
2018/04/12 16:57:06
fresh101
iRelevant
fresh101
pwalpwal
you should promote cakewalk by highlighting its good points, not by trashing the competition


[...] It's really an underdog story with a happy ending.
[...] 

I don't buy that story. It's just fake marketing.
 


Ok...
2018/04/12 17:34:20
pwalpwal
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
meng
"abbadon" is used by Cakewalk for authentication and pre-dates us at BandLab. 
 
As to why it's called "abbadon" (I googled it) I have no idea :-) I will ask Noel and find out!




Its just somebody's "quirky" sense of humor. Nothing dark or doomsday there. We have all kinds of weird names in some places. What's next auditing code quality based on file and variable names? :)




i once got asked about a variable named whatA****ingJoke
2018/04/12 17:42:41
Cactus Music
LJB
Cactus Music
"Considering Cakewalk was, if not THE most bloated software on the planet, releasing it stripped down is a nice change. No more of those tons of plugs every update. 




Oh well, one man's "bloat" is another man's well-fed Alpaca.




Just to be clear. that was not my quote but a quote I lifted from Gear slutz forum. I thought it was out of line too and posted a reply there stating " Go ahead and call Plug ins bloat,  I'm sure many here collect as many as they can grab. " And then I said Sonar lets you install or not install as many as you wish. 
I shouldn't bother trying to defend Cakewalk on Gearslutz. It sort of a hopless bunch there.  
 
 
2018/04/12 17:49:36
Pragi
danbottomburp
I wouldn’t recommend Sonar/cakewalk to any friend,it’s just not stable enough,when I heard it was ceasing to exist I moved over to Reaper,unbelievable difference in stability .not 1 single crash so far and its so light on resources ,does everything sonar does and more it doesn’t .



That´s the matter why I would never recommend Reaper to a friend ,
Reaper is  instable ,looks crazy and has a  strange workflow.
Even to announce that CbB is free in the Reaper forum motivates the mods
there to delete such threads/posts.
Who is afraid of CbB ?
 
 
 
2018/04/12 19:06:44
azslow3
I guess are you joking, but you forgot to put smile at the end
Just in case someone take that seriously...
Pragi
danbottomburp
I wouldn’t recommend Sonar/cakewalk to any friend,it’s just not stable enough,when I heard it was ceasing to exist I moved over to Reaper,unbelievable difference in stability .not 1 single crash so far and its so light on resources ,does everything sonar does and more it doesn’t .

That´s the matter why I would never recommend Reaper to a friend ,
Reaper is  instable ,

The only stable DAW I have observed so far is Reaper... but I have not given S1 a try (most reports claim it is also stable). When it crashes, that are some plug-ins, can be investigated pitting them into "jail" (separate process) to check.
 

looks crazy

It looks exactly like someone whats it to look. In addition to build-in color tuning, most important parts of the interface can be "defined" by user (so not only how something looks, like for Sonar, but also what is displayed, when and how that behaves on resizing).
 

and has a  strange workflow.

Unlike f.e. Tracktion and Ableton, it has "traditional" workflow. Just with simple yet awesome idea that in computer world it make no sense to separate audio tracks, MIDI tracks, buses, auxes and folders. "Something" can take any role (or a combinations of roles). They call that "something" a Track.
Once upon a time UN*X has declared "everything is file". That has ruled out many other concepts...
 

Even to announce that CbB is free in the Reaper forum motivates the mods
there to delete such threads/posts.

Happy existing there: https://forums.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=205239
With my comments what CbB has and Reaper has not (yes! there are such areas!).
 

Who is afraid of CbB ?

I do not know who afraid of CbB, but I think some DAW writers should fear the Reaper. I don not know how good its developers can play guitar, but they are excellent "old school" programmers (absolute consequent in logic and do not use any wrappers nor unproved by time technologies).
 
2018/04/12 19:16:54
mettelus
azslow3
[...] but I have not given S1 a try [...]




Maybe if you did, there would be some hope for those of us looking to port cwp files to S1
2018/04/12 19:46:42
azslow3
mettelus
azslow3
[...] but I have not given S1 a try [...]

Maybe if you did, there would be some hope for those of us looking to port cwp files to S1

No API and explicit not willing to cooperate in that (unlike  Sonar and Reaper) + no accessibility + strange declarations about legacy (in software and hardware) was too many show stoppers.
I already had to write a small plug-in for my DP with Reaper, for "Sonar MIDI shortcuts" like functionality. What could I do in such situation with S1? Cry? Beg? Hope?
 
Apart for the "negativity" someone can read in my posts, I am still more or less "loyal" to Sonar->CbB. I still support AZController, this week have started to write one fancy MFX, etc.
 
But something in me is in disagreement with Presonus. So I have refused to give the parser code to potential CWP->S1 developer... Sorry.
 
Also I am not sure about ReaCWP future. Since Cakewalk is alive again, someone can gently (or not) ask me to shut it up
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