No joke,arslow,
but that´s my experience, something you forgot to mention 
about your experience with Reaper/Sonar.
 
 
 
 

And to say it clear,
imo the Reaper ui is really ugly, the workflow a desaster.
If the Reaper ui and workflow fits your needs better, congratulations,
but why you are arguing  in the Cakewalk forum about Reaper ?
 
Sure you are no troll ?
 

 

Pragi
And to say it clear,
imo the Reaper ui is really ugly, the workflow a desaster.
If the Reaper ui and workflow fits your needs better, congratulations,
but why you are arguing  in the Cakewalk forum about Reaper ?

Since years I read "this UI is ugly", "that DAW is the best", "that is a disaster". And not in the context of one particular DAW. Open S1/Reaper/Cubase/Ableton friendly forum, and you see all the same statements, just with exchanged DAW names. That has prevented me to look around before.
 
Sonar/CbB has strong points compare to other DAWs. Some are in functionality, some are deep inside the concept. Discussing that and using advantages to "spread the word" can be informative and convincing for people.
F.e (NOT a complete list), in Sonar/CbB it is possible to:
+ have track inspector and console view at the same time
+ see FX list in the track view
+ see what your Surface control with WAI
+ combine loops in Matrix
+ edit and save loops
+ export program changes from MIDI track control into MIDI file
+ use project/marker pitches to auto-adjust groove clip pitch
+ use musical and absolute markers at the same time
+ sync program selection with key names in PRV (combined Ins files)
+ use ARA integration
+ use ProChannel concept
+ enjoy sample accurate fixed project rate positioning
All that is in the range from "workaround", throw "not yet" up to "not possible" in Reaper.
 
But the following make no big sense:
= when 2 interfaces use the same concept of comprizable animated bitmaps, declaring one of them as "ugly" and other as "perfect"
= compare 2 DAWs with identical general workflow and just say one is "a desaster".
 
And claiming known strong sides of another DAW is counterproductive:
- stability
- performance
 
If you see my points as "trolling", sorry.

It was you who started  arguing about  "Reaper/Cakewalk comparison
without writing that it´s your opinion aso - suggesting that your opinion
is opjective about which DAW is the best.
It´s simply not .
Imo the best UI and workflow is by far
1. Cakewalk 
then
2. Logic
3. Samplitude
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7. "Cockos" Reaper
The workflow and ui are the reason why Reaper is not more popular .
 
Again, just my 2 cents.
 
Your excuse is accepted.
 
 
Have a nice day 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

iRelevant
[font="'helvetica neue', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-large"]Re: New free Sonar Platinum! Is this a dream or a nightmare??

 
Hoo boy the paranoia and negativity of some folk's in this world never ceases to amaze me :)
File names, really? Some of this stuff has been there for 20 years in the app. Nothing new in Cakewalk by Bandlab there.

Don't worry Noel, they obviously believe Cakewalk is developed by the Illuminati, is responsible for chemtrails and that Cakewalk devs are complicit in trying to cover up the fact that the earth is flat :)

Thought I'd give this a little bump. Still a relevant subject.

I have been trying to steer people towards CpB but not getting much success so far. Very similar to my experience in past. The great things about it are amazing, but the downsides are still there. Hoping that will change. I realized with my students my best chance of getting them to give serious look is assemble best freeware vst package to accompany to make it more functional. Included instruments are just not going to cut it. Still optimistic though.

I've been surprised that I haven't had much traction with people myself. I've definitely mentioned it to people as a great positive, but so far I don't think there's been a single download based on my interactions. One person said he "might" try it with a fellow musician friend from school to collaborate, but he currently uses Studio One and is happy with that. He knows I use a bunch of DAWs in my studio, and I've said some very positive things about Cakewalk as a tool to work with his friends, especially now that it's free. But the fact that it's free doesn't do much for him. Again, surprising.
 
There is also a family of great musicians I know filled with talented kids and a limited budget who would really benefit from Cakewalk too -- it would obviously save them money and be great for them --  but apparently, they're all Mac people now, and they won't be switching platforms. They're all still using Garage Band and seem to be going Logic due to classes and friends. One of them is learning Reaper. Cakewalk is definitely not on their radar. But beyond that, it's interesting to listen to their reactions about DAWs -- the cost of Logic or Reaper is NOT an issue for them, even though they have limited funds. What matters to them is WHO uses the DAW in their circles/community, not the COST, as long as it's under a couple of hundred dollars.
 
I'm starting to think that this will take a lot more time to play out, and overall to see what happens in the market. Maybe this "free" thing is not really a big deal. BandLab needs to show a consistent release schedule and solid progress of course, and probably appeal to the collaboration side like they do with their online product. But I am honestly surprised there hasn't been any take-up with people I know. My previous predictions that this might have a huge impact on the DAW market might be WAY off. This might be a slow burn kind of situation... a long play. Free or not free, not sure it makes a difference now... at least with many folks I know... they do NOT mind paying for DAW software. I don't mean to be a downer, just sharing my thoughts. Wondering if others have had a similar reaction from people they've talked with.

P.S. And any of the pros I work with or *personally* know who already have been using other DAWs for a long time are NOT interested in Cakewalk thus far. Those firmly in the Cubase, Pro Tools, Reaper or Studio One camps seem more or less satisfied where they are, often having gone through various switches in the recent past, and not interested in doing it again, or are already running more than one DAW and have their workflow pretty stabilized. And the "free" status means pretty much nothing to them.
 

One thing I am running into is they seem intrigued when I pull up initial interface but I lose them when i pull up instruments. I can put together a more impressive demo using free version of presonus  instrument than included cakewalk instruments. I'm kind of baffled why they didn't include old but decent quality instruments like Session Drummer or zeta+.  At the very least an all-around rompler would go a long way.  A demo using the SI instruments and general midi is not going to grab attention. Mind you,, those instruments are not bad per say.  They are just too limited.  particularly when it comes to drums. In damn near every pop genre (and many underground genres) custom drum kits are everything. If they are going to include a drum program that cannot have custom sounds, at least change soundset to fit current drum trends. Groove synth actually may have appeal to those seeking vintage sounds, but without a facelift, it comes across as an old throwaway.