SilkTone
 
I believe someone did a PDC test in one of the initial threads and found it worked correctly. But you should do some testing yourself if you personally want to make sure you can trust it.

Thank you.
Don't get me wrong, I trust the plugin.
It's Sonar I might have doubts if such an implementation is expected or not.
 
I recently had some weird behavior in SA when I forgot to turn off direct signal i TrueVerb on a bus - so direct signal went two ways and created anomalies..

Thanks Silktone...

I'm greatly looking forward to playing with this... I'm not sure if I can do what I'm thinking of, but I'm excited to give it a try.

I've always been perfectly comfortable about having my subs separate from the inputs as on most analog boards, it's that way... It makes total sense to avoid feedback loops, but as with playing guitar using feedback, I think it would be cool if it was a users choice with maybe an extra warning when attempting to establish such. Typically I didn't do this on an analog console as the introduction of an extra preamp meant added noise and such... Combining things usually happened in some kind of mult-bay or passive summing bus...

What I was thinking of in my previous message was that Sonar does allow a loopback driver... You can take an output and digitally re-direct it back to the input this way... So I was thinking there might be a way to have a loopback driver running, send the sidechain to this driver, then select that driver as the input of a new channel...?

Just a thought... Right now I'm thrilled thinking that I may be able to finally have a pre-fx send even better that I can position it between whichever fx I choose such as after compression and EQ, but prior to modulations and other assorted devices used in the track's PC and fx-bin...

Thanks!
Keni

Keni,
 
In theory one can create plugins that send audio between themselves without explicitly connecting them together in Sonar. So one can have something similar to sidechain mixer that can be dropped into FX bins all over the project. Then you can have an overall master mixer (accessed as the GUI of one of the plugins), where you can route signals between all of those plugins together in whatever way you want. I won't be surprised if there isn't already something like that.
 
But that presents other challenges... Unless they are in the same signal path, Sonar will treat each individually, and you won't know in which order each one will be processing the same buffer in time. So maybe A must send to B, but B gets to process its buffer of data before A does, so you can't have a 0 delay plugin. You would need to report to the host that the plugin has at least 1 buffer worth of delay so that you can sync them up. Not ideal.
 
Also, with such an approach one can certainly create feedback loops since Sonar is unaware of and has no control of the signal flow.
 
Anyway, that is a much bigger project to tackle. For now we would need to stick with what extra routing options we can get out of sidechain mixer.

Keni
What I was thinking of in my previous message was that Sonar does allow a loopback driver... You can take an output and digitally re-direct it back to the input this way...

I've been looking at (and mentioned it in another thread) VB-Audio's virtual audio cables.
 
I've download everything from this page to test out, but haven't gotten around to it yet.  The virtual cables look to me like just what is needed (though there appears to be a maximum of three cables that you can run at once) but the developer suggested I use the Voicemeeter instead for a simple loopback.
 
I'll post once I've had a chance to test these things.

Thanks Silktone...

I think I follow your thinking...

Let's play with sidechain mixer a bit and see what thoughts and ideas cone up. Maybe that will uncover some new ideas...

Keni

Can't you do this with the old sonitus compress where you audition the sidechain.
 
It's kinda the same thing. This one is just simpler and external.

Thanks again Silk Tone... this is rather neat. One thing that occurred to me is I saw this thread from my phone a few times and "assumed" it was a how-to with existing SONAR routings. Consider updating the thread title to "New VST - Turn any Track into a Bus" or some such. Very nicely done VST - simple, painless, effective... big win!

gswitz
Can't you do this with the old sonitus compress where you audition the sidechain.
 
It's kinda the same thing. This one is just simpler and external.

I believe you are right... You can monitor the sidechain feed... Not sure how it deals with mono/stereo...

Never thought to use that for a way to get a pre/post-fx send...
;-)

External? As in not owned by Cakewalk? The Sonitus compressor is owned by them but not actually a part of Sonar... Still a separate plugin... Not that the difference even matter...? ;-)

Keni

Yes the Sonitus compressor can do something similar, however note a difference is that it will not mix the sidechain input together with the main signal going through the plugin, while sidechain mixer does. In most cases it is not critical to have them mixed together, but Noel did say it should be. For instance if the track you turned into a bus also has an actual input assigned to it, the input will be muted if using the Sonitus plugin.
 
You can have one or more sidechain mixers at different points along an FX chain in order to mix signals into different points. I'm not sure how usable this is but it is possible. People sometimes come up with creative uses for such things. The Sonitus plugin will not work for this purpose.
 

mettelus
Thanks again Silk Tone... this is rather neat. One thing that occurred to me is I saw this thread from my phone a few times and "assumed" it was a how-to with existing SONAR routings. Consider updating the thread title to "New VST - Turn any Track into a Bus" or some such. Very nicely done VST - simple, painless, effective... big win!

Thanks! And I updated the title per your suggestion.

I started a thread about this about a year ago using the Sonitus Gate as the sidechain receiver - I got more flack and "what for"s than you can imagine! :O)
 
Thanks for plugin - looking forward to using it!