• SONAR
  • An Epiphany (p.4)
2015/05/01 07:39:13
rebel007
Nice thread. I never touched a recording button for the first 25 years of being a musician, I wasn't really interested. I would come into a studio, play my parts, and leave it to the magicians behind the glass wall to come up with the end product. I would look at all those knobs and dials and think "I could never do, or afford, that", it was complete sorcery to me.
Now, over the last 17 or so years, I have a computer that brings that wizardry within reach, and I have 60 or more songs that I tinker with (and many more waiting to be started) and I'm having a ball. Some songs get put to CD or mp3, but none are considered finished or off limits to change if an idea strikes. I'm like a kid in a candy shop. Long live Sonar and may you all enjoy your journey.
2015/05/01 12:09:40
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
I really like this thread and what attracted me the most is this quote:

mettelus

He did drop an interesting perspective on me which was basically, "compose everything BEFORE you track anything." This focus definitely shines through in what he has done... tracking has specific intent for him; for me, is easy to capture an idea ad hoc and stew on it forever.


That is so true ... to do as much of the composing as possible before you even switch on the DAW ... whichever way works for you - the guitar, the piano, on paper or just in your head ... having a good picture of what it should sound like makes it so much easier/faster ... and if it doesn't sound good completely stripped, just the tune plus a few piano chords, the tune is probably not ready yet ...


For me, having a DAW with tons of synths and VSTis is good for inspiration and playing around ... but once I get into this, I'm sure that nothing lasting comes out apart from a few saved presets that I might pull in later ... I really like the mentioned comparison to endless computer games because that's what it really is for me ...


Anderton
"Art is never finished, only abandoned" - Leonardo da Vinci


This is really nice excuse. However, I believe that no one here doing all this from the heart ever needs to excuse himself for the music produced. Music is very controversial per se and this is GREAT because what you like, I may just not, and vice versa - production quality won't change that, either. It took me a long time to understand ... but I think accepting the controversial nature of music actually works in your favour.
 
Do what you can as good as you can but call it quits once you like it (or your client in case your are getting paid). You can always do better a few months down the road as you never stop learning - but why wait, you only live now ... sort of my motto ... for the time being ;-)
 
 
2015/05/01 15:33:50
dcumpian
I, too, have a ton of unfinished (just barely started ) projects and a few years back I decided that I would pick a project and work on it until it was done, or I was sick of it. Everything I've done in the last couple of years is a result of that.
 
I do allow myself a day or two a month to just experiment and play with stuff, which usually generates at least one or two new projects to be finished in the future.
 
I have found that really focusing on a single project at a time has really helped me to improve.
 
Regards,
Dan
 
2015/05/01 18:26:42
Bristol_Jonesey
I work in a similar way Dan.
 
I have so many bits & pieces stored away, some just a riff, others a backing, some are nearly fully fledged songs but they all need serious amounts of work done on them.
 
I'm also trying to pigeon hole them into an ongoing album project which currently has 17 songs in it, will soon have 20/21 and there's room for more.
 
The problem with this is that my earlier work, in retrospect, doesn't have the same "polish" that the later stuff does, and it's hard to resist the temptation to go back and remix it all. I just don't have the time.
 
On saying that, my latest couple of projects are brand new compositions, the basic idea for each came about when installing & testing Splat on the general internet/office computer.
2015/05/01 19:46:53
John T
Saw this before, and thought, "ooh, so much to say about this", but was too busy to do it justice.
 
And now, at the end of a long day, after a few well-earned drinks, I now I have the time, but possibly not the sobriety to address the topic. So please excuse me if I ramble. But here goes.
 
The most important aspect of music production is the least-discussed, I think. And that's the business of how you get from the idea to the finished thing. And when you get down to it, that's got nothing to do with technique, or how you set a compressor, or what plugins you use.
 
Don't get me wrong; you need good gear, and you need good skills. That's a given. But good gear and good skills are only necessary conditions for making good stuff. They're nowhere near sufficient conditions.
 
I think Mettelus might be doing his friend an unintentional disservice in his OP here, in this specific way: I don't reckon it's the limited gear that's stopped him tinkering and procrastinating. He sounds like a guy who just doesn't tinker and procrastinate, to me.
 
Now, for those of us who are easily distracted, and I am certainly one, modern DAWs offer endless opportunities for not getting things done. But opportunity is not cause, and we're all in charge of our own working practices.

And finally, I come to my point, which is this: how much thought do you give to your working practices? I don't mean how you work an EQ or position a mic. That's skill, not process.
 
Process is more like this stuff: How do you get started? How do you know when you've finished? Have you even come up with a working definition of finished? And so on.

I reckon the guy with the basic gear could answer those questions. And I bet his answers wouldn't be especially gear-based.
2015/05/01 20:27:14
Tunerman
A phrase written here on the forum several years ago, hit home for me. So much so that I printed it out and posted on the wall in my studio.
 
"Finished is Always Better Than Perfect" 
 
As I tend toward being a MIDIot, endless tweaking things (that the the vast majority of listeners will never hear) I wind up not actually finishing - really finishing a song. This phrase helps to remind myself to finish the song - to the best of my abilities - and move on.
 
With DAWs, as new studio engineering skills are learned, we have the ability to go back and change things. You couldn't do that back in the age of tape. 
2015/05/01 20:30:30
sylent
I agree John T, as I said in another thread somewhere, a true artist uses what tools they have at there disposal at any given moment, they are only brushes.
And they can be removed from the artist, but never the artist from the tools ... meaning a stick from a tree can be just as good as a $50 brush in an artists hand.
When tools are removed, the "hand" remains.
 
My first drummer was saving for the Pearl of his dreams, and until he could sink the bucks, we practiced every day with cans, pans, and telephone books.... if not those, the table, his legs, or whatever he could slap for tone.
He turned out to be a great drummer, but it wasn't the pans and books, or that white 5pc pearl set .... it was all him, and his passionate determination.
RIP Kurt Schultz!
2015/05/01 21:38:19
John T
Tunerman
A phrase written here on the forum several years ago, hit home for me. So much so that I printed it out and posted on the wall in my studio.
 
"Finished is Always Better Than Perfect"



Heh. I think that was me, quoting former member of this parish Yep (who now posts on the Reaper forums), paraphrasing Picasso. A fairly impressive lineage til you get to me.
2015/05/01 21:41:19
John T
Tunerman
 
With DAWs, as new studio engineering skills are learned, we have the ability to go back and change things. You couldn't do that back in the age of tape. 


You could, it was just more expensive.
 
You know, like, Fleetwood Mac didn't actually spend a whole year making Tusk. They spent two months making Tusk and ten months procrastinating and re-recording the hi hat. And they're the first to admit it.
2015/05/01 22:43:43
mettelus
John T
Tunerman
A phrase written here on the forum several years ago, hit home for me. So much so that I printed it out and posted on the wall in my studio.
 
"Finished is Always Better Than Perfect"


Heh. I think that was me, quoting former member of this parish Yep (who now posts on the Reaper forums), paraphrasing Picasso. A fairly impressive lineage til you get to me.



I think it is still in good hands
 
I definitely want to reiterate how much I appreciate these forums, since taking the time to post insight, advice, and help others in general is truly priceless.
 
A lot of these posts have driven home advice I have given others (but oddly don't practice what I preach, go figure).
 
I am starting off this weekend evaluating my work flow, specifically targeting "tools" in a broad sense, but more focused toward tracking and initial mixing. Two simple bins thus far....
  1. "tool" = something required to get from point A->B
  2. "crutch" = something I have relied on to get from point A->B as a means of sheer laziness, rationalization keeping me from making myself better, or excuse not to commit track data into the mix
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