• SONAR
  • Can someone explain why DSD is exciting? (p.3)
2015/01/18 20:01:10
Splat
Reminds me....
 
I just watched BBC Click technology programme on BBC News today talking about "hi-def" audio, the reporter was effectively stating that comparing FLAC with WAV is similar to comparing WAV with MP3.
 
I want my TV license back...
2015/01/18 20:08:39
John T
I don't think there's anything inherently exciting about DSD. I just think its presence in the newest Sonar is an off shoot of Cakewalk's commendable tendency to try to stay ahead of the technological curve. Same kind of thing as having a 64 biot version of the program years before that was generally recognised as a desirable thing.
 
I doubt DSD will ever become a general core format for anything much, but it'll be a significant pro-level feature for some.
2015/01/18 20:09:01
John T
CakeAlexS
Reminds me....
 
I just watched BBC Click technology programme on BBC News today talking about "hi-def" audio, the reporter was effectively stating that comparing FLAC with WAV is similar to comparing WAV with MP3.
 
I want my TV license back...


Whaaaaaat....
2015/01/18 20:52:07
Sycraft
John T
I don't think there's anything inherently exciting about DSD. I just think its presence in the newest Sonar is an off shoot of Cakewalk's commendable tendency to try to stay ahead of the technological curve. Same kind of thing as having a 64 biot version of the program years before that was generally recognised as a desirable thing.
 
I doubt DSD will ever become a general core format for anything much, but it'll be a significant pro-level feature for some.


Also just working with what their parent company wants. TASCAM has one of the few DSD recorders on the market and its DSD feature is something that sets it apart from some of its competition. Well, a way to help sell that is if DAWs support DSD and since Sonar is their DAW, they can influence it. Makes sense for the hardware and softwer to play well together.
2015/01/18 20:56:53
Anderton
AT
Cool.  I'm hoping for a Tascam multi channel DSD recorder and the ability to edit on SONAR. 
 



Well, you sorta have the first part. You can link multiple DA-3000s together for multitrack recording.
2015/01/18 21:57:41
jimkleban
I remember researching DSD years ago but by no means an expert nor do i confirm what I am about to say ss accurate rather than what I remember:  The benefit of DSD to the listener was that it converted to real audio more accurately than the other digital formats... now, don't know if that was because it would sound better or that if the converters into devices could recreate the audio better.
 
As far as I know, I have no need for DSD myself but perhaps some mastering folks do?
 
Jim
2015/01/19 00:06:58
AT
A nice 12-24 DSD track recorder/playback machine going through analog hardware would be nice - use it like a reel to reel.  If you could do some editing, like switching between takes, would be even better in SONAR.  Best of both worlds.  Is there any reason you couldn't "splice" DSD tracks in software w/o going pcm?
 
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2015/01/19 00:40:12
Sycraft
AT
A nice 12-24 DSD track recorder/playback machine going through analog hardware would be nice - use it like a reel to reel.  If you could do some editing, like switching between takes, would be even better in SONAR.  Best of both worlds.  Is there any reason you couldn't "splice" DSD tracks in software w/o going pcm?

 
At the moment the issue would be processing those tracks. In general, I don't know if there are many, if any, algorithms for operating on PDM sound. All the (very few) DSD systems I've heard of use what they call "DSD wide" which takes DSD but converts it to 8-bit PCM at the DSD frequency or use "DXD" which is just high sample rate PCM. Either way it is an effective conversion from PDM to PCM. Specifically, all the FX and synthesizers you currently have work in PCM, so the data would have to be converted to be sent to them, and then converted back.
 
As a practical matter, it isn't likely to be much more than a curiosity and playing for engineers and audiophiles. Goes double since compressed formats are the thing these days. Broadcast, cinema, streaming, etc all use compression and all those compression algorithms need PCM input because of the way they deal with sound.
2015/01/19 07:05:17
mudgel
Actually Tascam would side by side with Sonar under the Gibson umbrella.

Tascam is to be a distribution channel. Off course there would be software technology in both camps that could float back and forth. Just being pedantic. Craig also mentioned that Tascam were now doing drivers for their own gear in house now, so there will be some significant software development talent in that arm of Gibson as well.

All this bodes well for Cakewalk. Perhaps some real solid software and hardware collaborations in the future that will bring more lasting results than previously with the previous owner.
2015/01/19 09:43:56
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Also DSD is a lot more "consumer" in Japan than it is here. This is another reason why its important for us and Tascam.
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