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2012/01/05 11:55:53
Guitarpima
I saw this thread last night and just updated. No issues at all.

Driver set to 48 samples.
Input latency is 5.6 ms at 249 samples.
Output latency is 1.8 at 81 samples
Total roundtrip latency is 7.5 ms at 330 samples.

I forgot to check these setting before I updated. Love the UI for the mixer! This is definitly a great improvement.
2012/01/05 18:25:27
JingleBells
  Hey guys glad some of you are having good luck with this. Unfortunately I have to convey some more bad news; I've reinstalled one more time....this driver seems extremely unstable. I DL-ed 2x directly from the Roland site...yes I followed the directions perfectly. What I'm noticing is a degradation of signal over multiple open/close cycles. Especially in VSTi within X1 and already recorded analog tracks...there is a granular white noise and compromised fidelity that is detectable and gets worse over a session. This is very strange, but I am able to replicate the behavior. The climax of the problem has another symptom I just picked up...somehow once the driver function starts wasting away, all the windows 7 sounds mute out and don't function...like Sonar or the device is locking up any non-sonar audio. The windows sounds (beeps, bells, etc) return immediately after reinstalling....WEIRD! For those skeptical, I am using 100% authentic software, licensed copy of W7 Ultimate, no bloatware whatsoever...just Sonar X1, jbridge, my plugs, all onbard graphics and audio disabled, no antivirus, etc. This is a relatively new system working flawlessly before. NOTE: The problem doesnt come up when I open VSTi in standalone mode. My MOTU Electric Keys sounds noticably better in standalone than in Sonar now. Upon rollback, all back to normal. I'll keep troubleshooting, hopefully this post will help out some others.
2012/01/05 19:02:41
jimkleban
JB... thanks for the update ... maybe I will wait.... I know that bridge and bit bridge aren't the most stable things under W7 x64.....

The teleport program keeps hanging... sometimes, a restart does the trick but most of the time, a reboot is required... it doesn't happen too often but every time is does, the damn TELEPORT program is the culprit....  I don't know if TELEPORT is a utility but it was used when I used to run a server farm for my VSTs to work around the 2GB LIMIT in Win 32 bit (I hated there too, the same thing would happen occasionally (randomly too)... but that was worse because I had to reboot all the PCs when that happen (THE DAW and all the REMOTES PCs running VSTis)....

Can't wait until all plugs are 64 bit.... I just have a couple that I have to bridge now other than the UAD2 stuff (UA announced that x64 will be available before the end of 2012).....

I abandoned Altiverb already because it is horrible in the bit bridge mode...

Jim




2012/01/05 20:33:34
Guitarpima
JingleBells


  Hey guys glad some of you are having good luck with this. Unfortunately I have to convey some more bad news; I've reinstalled one more time....this driver seems extremely unstable. I DL-ed 2x directly from the Roland site...yes I followed the directions perfectly. What I'm noticing is a degradation of signal over multiple open/close cycles. Especially in VSTi within X1 and already recorded analog tracks...there is a granular white noise and compromised fidelity that is detectable and gets worse over a session. This is very strange, but I am able to replicate the behavior. The climax of the problem has another symptom I just picked up...somehow once the driver function starts wasting away, all the windows 7 sounds mute out and don't function...like Sonar or the device is locking up any non-sonar audio. The windows sounds (beeps, bells, etc) return immediately after reinstalling....WEIRD! For those skeptical, I am using 100% authentic software, licensed copy of W7 Ultimate, no bloatware whatsoever...just Sonar X1, jbridge, my plugs, all onbard graphics and audio disabled, no antivirus, etc. This is a relatively new system working flawlessly before. NOTE: The problem doesnt come up when I open VSTi in standalone mode. My MOTU Electric Keys sounds noticably better in standalone than in Sonar now. Upon rollback, all back to normal. I'll keep troubleshooting, hopefully this post will help out some others.
I hope you get this figured out soon. It took me an hour to figure out that I had to update the firmware for the OC so the drivers would work. Duh for me! lol!
 
Maybe this is related. Even when I had an E-MU 1616m, the sound would wither away. It's been a while but I think it was some patches in DP and other synth that were causing it. I never figured out why other than to stop using those synth and use something else. I only use synths till I don't need them with the exception of Addictive Drums.
 
BTW - How did you guys roll back to the 1.00 driver? I thought I read that the 1.00 driver would not work with the new firmware.
 
Good luck!
2012/01/05 21:13:18
inaheartbeat
Guitarpima


JingleBells


  Hey guys glad some of you are having good luck with this. Unfortunately I have to convey some more bad news; I've reinstalled one more time....this driver seems extremely unstable. I DL-ed 2x directly from the Roland site...yes I followed the directions perfectly. What I'm noticing is a degradation of signal over multiple open/close cycles. Especially in VSTi within X1 and already recorded analog tracks...there is a granular white noise and compromised fidelity that is detectable and gets worse over a session. This is very strange, but I am able to replicate the behavior. The climax of the problem has another symptom I just picked up...somehow once the driver function starts wasting away, all the windows 7 sounds mute out and don't function...like Sonar or the device is locking up any non-sonar audio. The windows sounds (beeps, bells, etc) return immediately after reinstalling....WEIRD! For those skeptical, I am using 100% authentic software, licensed copy of W7 Ultimate, no bloatware whatsoever...just Sonar X1, jbridge, my plugs, all onbard graphics and audio disabled, no antivirus, etc. This is a relatively new system working flawlessly before. NOTE: The problem doesnt come up when I open VSTi in standalone mode. My MOTU Electric Keys sounds noticably better in standalone than in Sonar now. Upon rollback, all back to normal. I'll keep troubleshooting, hopefully this post will help out some others.
I hope you get this figured out soon. It took me an hour to figure out that I had to update the firmware for the OC so the drivers would work. Duh for me! lol!
 
Maybe this is related. Even when I had an E-MU 1616m, the sound would wither away. It's been a while but I think it was some patches in DP and other synth that were causing it. I never figured out why other than to stop using those synth and use something else. I only use synths till I don't need them with the exception of Addictive Drums.
 
BTW - How did you guys roll back to the 1.00 driver? I thought I read that the 1.00 driver would not work with the new firmware.
 
Good luck!
Yea I was really careful to update the OC's firmware first before even trying to use the new drivers. I have had numerous opens and closes of the project I was working on and absolutely no issues at all with degradations or anything. I have JBridge installed and it is a non-issue although I am not using any 32 bit plugs on this particular project I am running. I did have Geist crash on me but that had happened before so that was really not a driver issue.


One thing that is sort of weird is I cannot get my samples down below 96. Not that I want to run that low but I see it should go lower. I wonder if it is a function of having the two Octa-Captures strapped together. 


Bottom line though for me is everything seems to be working just fine still.


Ken


2012/01/06 10:33:58
Everything Flows
Just to add another voice, I am currently running the Octa-Capture v. 1.50, and haven't had any stablity problems.  Not using too many soft synths, and I tend to use a limited range of plugs, too (rock based music.)

I have had a little bit of issue with noise trying to track 8 outputs of my Roland V-drums at once, but I believe that can be chalked up to starting with too hot of a signal on the drums.

However, I do have a question for everyone:  If I max out my input mix (useful when tracking my drums,) I gets TONS of ugly digital noise.  I don't think any of this is bleeding to the track or anything, but it is annoying.  Anyone else get similar noise through their direct monitoring?
2012/01/06 12:11:22
Guitarpima
There's a new checkbox in the driver settings that let's you reduce the CPU load. Did you try that?

I used to have a problem with noise as well. I use track presets and some of them were the cause. I revamped all my track presets and that solved that one. Other than that, good luck!
2012/01/06 18:37:24
jimkleban
I agree with everything flows..... if you turn up the monitor volume so you can hear what is being tracking in real time as well as the existing tracks, you do get a lot of (white) noise....  however, if I use an external PRE AMP to normalize the input signal, I can keep the OCTOPUS preamp lower and the white noise disappears... 

I have noticed that the internal OCTO pre-amps are a bit noisy when pushed too hard....

Jim


2012/01/07 11:22:55
inaheartbeat
jkleban


I agree with everything flows..... if you turn up the monitor volume so you can hear what is being tracking in real time as well as the existing tracks, you do get a lot of (white) noise....  however, if I use an external PRE AMP to normalize the input signal, I can keep the OCTOPUS preamp lower and the white noise disappears... 

I have noticed that the internal OCTO pre-amps are a bit noisy when pushed too hard....

Jim

Yea I would not have noticed that as much in my setup cause the only channel I regularly have my pre's on at all is the one with my Waldorf Blofeld to compensate for it's low input signal. When I use a mic I use a Grace One for my pre-amp and then direct into an Octa-Capture channel.
 
You could maybe tame that white noise down a little by using the gate function for your Octa-Capture channels. I have mine set up as a noise gate for my Juno 106 cause even when not playing a key if you have certain patches going you can hear the lfo's working across a filter sweep of the noise from the output of the keyboard. I set my noise gate for that keyboard at -52 dB and that takes care of that issue for me. Not sure if it is as appropriate for you cause your noise floor may be significantly higher.
 
Things are all still very stable here so far.
 
Ken
2012/01/07 15:33:22
Jesse G
Hey.. I didn't know there was a new uptate for the Octa-Capture...

The control panel is more graphical, allowing intuitive operation.
The AUTO-SENS function can be operated from the control panel.
The latency with ASIO has been reduced even further.
The operating sample rate can be changed from within your DAW application.

Nice!!

Peace

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