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2015/06/01 17:31:38
John T
Yeah, I'm not going to be one of the first to jump in. And I say that as someone who is quite looking forward to Windows 10. I'm not touching it til I hear mutiple positive reports on these forums from braver souls than I.
2015/06/01 18:06:52
SimpleManZ
Big software developers/sellers ought to try Win 10 and make certain it runs okay.
 
So, Cakewalk should do it and display a message that they have confirmed reliability with their code. Then it will be left to the end users individual hardware and drivers at their own risk.
2015/06/01 18:10:56
Doktor Avalanche
Psychlist1972
Yes, I'm hearing loud and clear that TB is important. I can't make any promises as to when/how, but the message is being heard in Redmond and it'll be something we bring to the appropriate teams in OSG (Operating Systems Group) at MS.


Doktor Avalanche
Predictable distancing from ASIO (hey kids ASIO is Steinberg, we want it to be Microsoft! but we can't deliver it so let's just say we will improve it later and then all your base are belong to us), so then perhaps a NEW driver model!??



kevinwal
Wow. I'm utterly stumped to see how you got here from Pete's comments, although the snark about a new driver model is an echo of a sore point for a lot of vendors, but to my understanding that issue has nothing at all to do with ASIO's stewardship. MS can't improve ASIO, they don't own it, and by what Pete says (he's closely aligned with the audio team at MS) they don't seem to want to own it.



The quote you gave above is about Thunderbolt, I "got there" from this (below)...!

Cheers!
 
Psychlist1972
ASIO: Not sure what you're asking us to do there. ASIO drivers are created by each device manufacturer, and the spec and tech are owned by Steinberg.
We have no intention to extinguish ASIO. It's the best experience on the desktop for DAWs. At the same time, it's not necessarily the right type of driver to use across the board. There are numerous reasons, including that it would require hardware manufacturers building ASIO to create ARM and other compiles they wouldn't normally do (starting in Windows 10, apps run on everything from tiny IoT/embedded devices to phones, tablets, PCs, giant boardroom screens, Xbox, HoloLens, and more. We do have low latency work coming that will cover all those devices. If you're interested in absolute lowest latency, however, custom ASIO drivers are still the best bet,.


Regardless does not look like not much happening for DAW's using ASIO right now... This latency thing looks like a red herring.. At least right now.
2015/06/01 19:00:42
maximumpower
I went ahead and reserved my copy. It says it will download after July 29th but you don't have to install it right away. The biggest concern I have is my m-audio interface. m-audio as been really slow at releasing drivers. They don't even have a Windows 8.1 driver yet! Having said that, I have been running 8.1 without issue.
2015/06/01 19:44:57
Geo524
I have also registered for Windows 10 when it becomes available. I have 2 licensed versions of windows 7. One for my internet PC and one for my audio PC. I'm going to download it to my internet PC first so I can check it out, but I sure do hope it is an upgrade and not a complete reinstall. I saw something about doing a fresh install of Windows 10 over at the Microsoft site. Does anyone know for sure if this is the case or can I just install Windows 10 and not have to worry about having to reinstall all my software? Thanks.
2015/06/01 19:48:30
Geo524
SimpleManZ
Big software developers/sellers ought to try Win 10 and make certain it runs okay.
 
So, Cakewalk should do it and display a message that they have confirmed reliability with their code. Then it will be left to the end users individual hardware and drivers at their own risk.

I agree and hope they will let us know for sure. Acoustica has already confirmed that MixCraft 7 runs fine on Windows 10. They've already started testing the software according to support.


2015/06/01 20:52:13
Tom Riggs
I've registered as well on 2 of my computers. i will wait on the others. What concerns me is if I can create a stand alone install from this download. Initially the upgrade is ok. but what happens if I decide to replace a hard drive and install from scratch? Do they email me a new install key or does it just use the existing one?
 
I will probably wait to install till I have sorted out those questions.
2015/06/02 05:20:30
JClosed
To be honest - I'm an bit scarry about it. I still have some important questions that seem not to be answered anywhere:
 
1. Can you get an serial/registration number and download an ISO?
The reason for that is that my experince with updates (especially updates for an complete operating System) are not that great. My DAW PC is an fine-tuned system that ensures low latency and an stable environment as possible. Upgrades can do strange things with your registery, drivers and so on. So - I rather do an complete wipe, and install the complete environment (Operating system, DAW, VST, drivers, and so on) from "scratch".
 
2. If the Windows 10 environment turns out to be an less stable and/or latency friendly system, is it possible to "roll-back" to you previous system? In other words - does the upgrade "destroys" your old licence? If so - I really have to think deep and hard if I would take that risk.
 
These are the most important questions I have (there are some more minor ones), and until I really get an solid answer to them, I will NOT do an upgrade...
2015/06/02 06:55:14
John T
Apparently there will be the ability to do a clean install from a downloaded image file. It sounds like you need to do the upgrade install first to make it possible, if you're going for the free upgrade, which is a bit tedious but not the end of the world.
 
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/3898/a-few-more-answers-about-windows-10-upgrades
 
I think what I'll do when I get round to it is try upgrading over my current Windows 7, and seeing how it works. Will then do a clean install if necessary.
2015/06/02 07:23:19
bitflipper
Note that the requirement to keep automatic updates enabled only applies to the Home edition. At least, for now.
 
I suspect that our concerns are overinflated (though yes, any paranoia toward MS has been earned). The world of Windows is very large, from military intelligence data mining to slot machines. They may not use ASIO, but they use the other 99.999% of Windows services and features that a DAW does. MS has to tread very carefully to avoid upsetting major market segments.
 
So don't worry - if MS screws the pooch they'll have some heavy-hitters to answer to, including governments and multi-national conglomerates. Even if they don't care what our tiny market segment thinks, imagine what will happen if airport arrival/departure screens start failing. There would be a grand jury.
 
Having said that, I still don't entirely trust MS to not change something fundamental just because they can. (How many Microsoft programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just change the standard to "Dark".)
 
I am in the process of editing 300 report templates in my own software, simply because some French accented characters show up in Cyrillic under Windows 8.1. Windows 7 was OK and Windows 8 was OK, but they hosed something in 8.1 that's going to cost me a month's worth of work. Believe me, I am not a Microsoft apologist nor fanboy. I just trust that there are bigger players that'll hold MS' feet to the fire.
 
 
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