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  • Meter question (p.2)
2015/06/01 11:52:02
slartabartfast
RMS stands for root mean square. You can think of it as a weighted average of the signal strength over a period. Because it is "averaging," the peaks (single highest value) is always expected to be higher than the RMS over a long enough period.
2015/06/02 12:07:22
revnice1
>(single highest value) is always expected to be higher than the RMS over a long enough period.
Makes perfect sense except I can put a brickwall limiter in that bus and crush everything to death and I still a big difference between the RMS and the peaks.
 
Here's a pic:
http://tinypic.com/r/2m85kir/8
As you can see, I'm crushing the track pretty seriously but down at the very bottom you can see the peak in the red and the RMS 30 or more db below it. When I'm crushing the whole track, where is that mysterious peak coming from and why is the difference so huge? There is nothing special about the track, it has bass drums and a vocal and the mix is reasonable.
2015/06/02 15:48:00
reginaldStjohn
The only time you really can get the peaks and the rms value to be the same would be a DC (0 Hz) signal. Any other signal will have peaks that are higher than the RMS value. A pure sine wave should have an RMS value that is about .7 times lower than the peak value (-3dB). So I would expect that any signal that contains more than one frequency would have even a higher difference between RMS and peak. Even if you limit or compress the signal the RMS and Peak values will always show some difference.
 
In addition unless you use a fast brickwall type limiter some signal can get through at the beginning of a transient. In your picture you have a compressor with 3ms attack time. This attack time allows some of the initial sound to get through the compressor and can actually make the peak to RMS difference larger because part of the peak gets through but then the rest of the sound is compressed.
 
There is nothing wrong with having peaks, that is part of what gives sound its timbre and dynamics. You just want the peaks not to clip when leaving your master buss.
2015/06/03 11:00:09
revnice1
Good point about the attack time, I hadn't thought of that.
 
>You just want the peaks not to clip when leaving your master buss.
That's where I'm puzzled. How do I get the RMS up, so I have a decent level, and yet bring the peaks down so they're not in the red all the time?
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