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  • Changing ASIO buffers on the fly in Sonar
2015/06/01 20:57:44
Doktor Avalanche
Here's a thing, on Maschine standalone if I playback a song, and then change the ASIO buffers on the Saffire Pro Mix control software, Maschine software will simply pause and then continue playing after service resumes at the Focusrite end...

With Sonar it just stops stating drop out unexpected....
 
What do other DAWs do?
2015/06/01 22:03:21
Anderton
Before I spend 25 minutes of my life that I'll never get back researching this, why is it important to know? Is there some need to be able to change sample buffers on the fly?
2015/06/01 22:37:23
Doktor Avalanche
Makes it easier to compare buffers, it also it makes me wonder why... if Sonar does drop out for any reason... why it just can't carry on regardless after scratching it's head a little, like Maschine does...
 
I wonder if Sonar is unusual here in this behaviour, or is it Maschine. I think it's obvious which is the most desirable behaviour (or it could at least be set in preferences). Of course it's not the biggest thing and is probably a feature request...

The bad thing about the Maschine behaviour is that it is not visually indicated. I would expect when Maschine drops out it at least indicates it so I know it happened if I went to make a cup of coffee...
2015/06/01 22:37:57
Susan G
Doktor Avalanche
Here's a thing, on Maschine standalone if I playback a song, and then change the ASIO buffers on the Saffire Pro Mix control software, Maschine software will simply pause and then continue playing after service resumes at the Focusrite end...

With Sonar it just stops stating drop out unexpected....
 
What do other DAWs do?


Hi Alex-
 
I have a NI Komplete Audio 6. In "R*" I've gotten the same behavior you described with Maschine: it pauses and then continues playback when I change the buffer setting in the KA6 software. In FLS the audio engine stops, IIRC. There's no message of any kind, but I can't remember if playback resumes from where it stopped or not. I can try it later and let you know, if it matters.
 
-Susan
2015/06/01 22:39:38
Doktor Avalanche
Thanks - it's no real biggy - I'm just curious that's all...
I guess this will end up being chucked in feature request forums...
2015/06/01 22:48:47
Doktor Avalanche
The penny just dropped.. The reason why Maschine behaves this way is if it drops out, you want it up and running as soon as possible for live performance.... and preferably on the beat, you don't give damn about why it happened, that's later, you just want to keep going in the slim chance of recovery...


Whilst recording on the other hand you want to sit and ponder why it happened.
Sonar is less tailored less towards live performance work (although it does have the playlist feature)... But I don't see any reason why it could not be a preference option one day.
2015/06/01 22:59:39
Anderton
Well, I guessed that Ableton Live would be the best and Pro Tools would be the worst, so I had to test them to satisfy my curiosity. Ableton Live 9 paused, then kept going. Pro Tools 10 stopped playback, and an error message appeared saying that I had to re-start Pro Tools (you can't just hit play). 
 
But I would put a SONAR feature request for this waaaaaaaaaaaay down on the list of priorities. I hardly ever change buffer size except if I switch over to doing a final mix that has lots of virtual instruments and such, and I don't find it a workflow killer to press play after changing the buffer once prior to mixing.
2015/06/01 23:00:57
Anderton
As for live performance, if the sample rate switched in the middle of playback, I'd be more worried about WTF was happening with my computer!
 
2015/06/01 23:02:48
Doktor Avalanche
Well it definitely helps when testing ASIO buffers, however the behaviour here is not just useful when changing the changing buffer size, it's when any dropout occurs that might have chance of recovery (see my previous post).
 
I do agree this is not the biggest fish in the pond here.

Thanks..
2015/06/01 23:05:05
Doktor Avalanche
Anderton
As for live performance, if the sample rate switched in the middle of playback, I'd be more worried about WTF was happening with my computer!

 
Missing the point though, you are simulating (well creating) a dropout by changing the sample rate.
Appreciate the feedback..
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