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  • How is the status and history of PDC in Sonar ?
2018/04/22 23:27:48
iRelevant
Just wondering what the situation is, and has been ? Is there any do or don'ts to be aware of ? 
2018/04/23 00:35:07
bitflipper
AFAIK there are have been no issues with it for several years, and even then it was only a problem with external inserts. Of course, SONAR/Cakewalk has no way of knowing if a given plugin or interface driver is lying to it.
2018/04/23 00:45:07
CTStump
As far as I know, Sonar has since 2002 had PDC in some form. It always allowed latency reporting from plugins to adjust playback to the highest delay in the path. As far as auxiliary and sub groups ouputs do have some delay if output is set to a seperate ouput other than master out, which is possible in other hosts, Abelton live comes to mind.

Is this a problem you have encountered or just out of curiosity?

One thing that is a problem though is how rewire is reported in MIDI timing, I have noticed in some vsti's and Appeggiators dropping sync after 8 measures. I believe it may be the Rewire protocol at fault due to it not reporting or buffering. May be something else altogether. Not a game changer, I simply load the synth and track in Sonar and everything syncs as it should.

Others may know more than I, hopefully they will chime in.
2018/04/23 00:51:54
iRelevant
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2018/04/23 00:58:44
iRelevant
CTStump
As far as I know, Sonar has since 2002 had PDC in some form. It always allowed latency reporting from plugins to adjust playback to the highest delay in the path. As far as auxiliary and sub groups ouputs do have some delay if output is set to a seperate ouput other than master out, which is possible in other hosts, Abelton live comes to mind.

Is this a problem you have encountered or just out of curiosity?

One thing that is a problem though is how rewire is reported in MIDI timing, I have noticed in some vsti's and Appeggiators dropping sync after 8 measures. I believe it may be the Rewire protocol at fault due to it not reporting or buffering. May be something else altogether. Not a game changer, I simply load the synth and track in Sonar and everything syncs as it should.

Others may know more than I, hopefully they will chime in.

Thanks, it's just curiosity. Sounds good. 
2018/04/23 00:59:32
iRelevant
bitflipper
AFAIK there are have been no issues with it for several years, and even then it was only a problem with external inserts. Of course, SONAR/Cakewalk has no way of knowing if a given plugin or interface driver is lying to it.


OK, Great :) Thank you, good to know. 
2018/04/23 04:18:40
Kev999
For the benefit of those who don't know what these guys here have been talking about:
PDC = Plugin Delay Compensation
2018/04/23 15:24:02
chris.r
So, if I'm used to turn on/off effect plugins during playback to hear the difference they bring to the sound, but the process isn't smooth and gapless, some sort of clicks and pops do appear quite often, and sometimes plugin's getting out of sync (you hear it clearly sounding wrong and need to stop playback to resume), isn't a kind of bug or some sort of flow in DAW's engine architecture? I always thought it's related to the way PDC is working in Sonar. Do other DAWs not having the same issue?
 
Maybe I need to change my habit of using the on/off button in FX bin, to the plugins bypass button. Problem is that not every plugin has a bypass button, and some have it working in an aberrant way.
2018/04/24 18:58:23
Anderton
chris.r
So, if I'm used to turn on/off effect plugins during playback to hear the difference they bring to the sound, but the process isn't smooth and gapless, some sort of clicks and pops do appear quite often, and sometimes plugin's getting out of sync (you hear it clearly sounding wrong and need to stop playback to resume), isn't a kind of bug or some sort of flow in DAW's engine architecture? I always thought it's related to the way PDC is working in Sonar. Do other DAWs not having the same issue?
 
Maybe I need to change my habit of using the on/off button in FX bin, to the plugins bypass button. Problem is that not every plugin has a bypass button, and some have it working in an aberrant way.



I'm not an expert on this, but I believe turning the plug-in on and off forces a program with PDC to recalculate in case there has been a change. To do this in real time is a challenge. If you stop, turn off, and start, it's a much smoother process.
 
If the effect's bypass button is problematic, if there's a wet/dry mix control that might be a good alternative.
2018/04/24 19:13:25
The Maillard Reaction

 
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