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  • Too much reverb (p.2)
2015/05/29 06:53:07
pwalpwal
yeah the mix is great, the reverb is used for effect rather than to simulate some real space/positioning
 
it's a spector co-write, originally performed/recorded by the ronettes in 64 and also produced by phil
 
hth ;-)
2015/05/29 08:13:10
lfm
This mix really sucks for me too.
I thought I could endure, but when bv vocals came on - I could not stand it anymore.
 
I felt perfomance was poor too - it did not make up for sparse production - don't know if they beefed it up later on.
Completely indifferent version to me.
 
 
2015/05/29 08:24:22
joel77
Yeah, there's a lot of reverb on that song. Too much? I guess that would be subjective. More than I care for.
2015/05/29 08:43:25
listen
I still think this is what they were trying to achieve, "for whatever reasons" - or - no one would have ever got the opportunity to hear/listen/critique it...
2015/05/29 08:50:20
Anderton
TomHelvey
If I were producing Motown now, it would have a lot more bottom but that doesn't mean that the original production wasn't brilliant.



Very interesting point. (Of course with James Jamerson, it would be difficult to have too much bass.)
2015/05/29 09:05:39
mettelus
Just a general comment to the OP. Reverb is a common method to give "depth" to an element (the other is volume), so traditionally is used sparingly on exposed leads. It is not necessarily "bad" in an artistic environment to do whatever you choose. If you want to reset your perspective on "artistic expression," listen to some Yoko Ono.
 
The "swimming in reverb" situation is most common in karaoke situations (but often for good reason ).
2015/05/29 09:08:06
Anderton
Reverb goes in cycles. The trend was drying out over the last decade, but now the trend is to get wetter.
2015/05/29 09:16:02
Aharvey
This was for a Children's release of hits(1996 then reissued in 08) so I think reverb reality was the least of the concerns at the time.Too much or too little I really do not think the kids cared at all, parents on the other hand maybe.The concept of the album was a little off maybe but in the end kids liked it.My Son had this and liked it.
2015/05/29 09:28:43
charlyg
I find that as I'm gaining chops, I am listening much more closely to the tunes I listen to for enjoyment. I now listen  for where things are in a mix,not only side to side but front to back. Coming of age in the sixties, I like the vocals to be out front and understood. Lyrics were much more important to us. They not only had to have a groove, they had to SAY something.
I did like some of the old stereo effects they used to use, like Foghat's rendition of I Just Want To Make Love To You.  My favorite rock intro......gets me ready to boogie.
On another note, I'm on The Gear Page with a TON of guitarists. It's the old PRS forum...One of their favorite expressions is "cutting Through the mix", and some of us have gone hoarse trying to explain, once you CUT THROUGH(they usually mean volume wise), it is no longer a mix. Sonic space escapes most of them.
2015/05/29 09:33:30
sven450
Just listen to any song off The Firm's first album.  Page went crazy with the verb, but I still sort of like it.  
This one is my fav:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se-PK5eIz_A
 
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