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2015/05/24 08:10:45
unit25luca
Hey
 
i´m using sonar now for a couple of weeks here is my Experience so far
 
LOOKS GREAT.
SOUNDS GREAT.
 
BUT:
 
1.) AUDIO EDITING: WHY DO YOU CALL THIS GROOVE CLIP when you actually can not change the GROOVE of a sample at the markers (like in ABLETON and many others)
 
1.) MIDI IS NOT WORKING TIGHT.
2.) CHANGING MIDI NOTES WITH THE KEYBOARD IS NOT POSSIBLE. COME ON????!!!!!!!!!
3.) PLAYBACK DOESN`T START AT THE BEGINNING OF A CLIP?
4.) YOU HAVE TO WAIT OF THE WHOLE CICLE UNTIL SYNTH STARTS PLAYING NOTES WHEN U MUTE OR  ACTIVATE THE TRACK.....
6.) BROWSING THE INSTRUMENTS (SONAR) IS LIKE IN 1995. THIS IS SO USELESS WHEN IT COMES TO DIGGING
 
Thinking of re sign my Membership for platinum.
 
:(
 
 
 
 
2015/05/24 08:32:07
gswitz
unit25luca
1.) AUDIO EDITING: WHY DO YOU CALL THIS GROOVE CLIP when you actually can not change the GROOVE of a sample at the markers (like in ABLETON and many others)

I haven't used Ableton, so I'm useless here.
 
unit25luca
1.) MIDI IS NOT WORKING TIGHT.

Works fine for me. There are settings that can be important to adjust for your system. Preferences > Audio > Configuration File has lots of important items for midi for different systems. 'Reset Config to Defaults' fixes things for people as often as subtle tweaks do. Scook here in the forum is the master of which settings might need tweaking for you.
 
unit25luca
2.) CHANGING MIDI NOTES WITH THE KEYBOARD IS NOT POSSIBLE. COME ON????!!!!!!!!!

In this case you are talking about mapping a keyboard to different octaves within Sonar? My keyboard works for all octaves and the octave I'm playing can be mapped directly. Still, I see the usefulness if you have an abbreviated midi controller (not all the keys) to being able to have it control two octaves at the same time on different midi tracks. To do this you would need to adjust the incoming midi in real time using a plugin like the Midi Transpose filter. WAIT! Is that what you are looking for? You'll find it in Midi FX.
 
unit25luca
3.) PLAYBACK DOESN`T START AT THE BEGINNING OF A CLIP?

For me shift G moves the now time to the beginning of the selected clip.
 
unit25luca
4.) YOU HAVE TO WAIT OF THE WHOLE CICLE UNTIL SYNTH STARTS PLAYING NOTES WHEN U MUTE OR  ACTIVATE THE TRACK.....

Yes, midi notes where the midi ON event has already passed are not triggered retroactively when you enable a midi track. This is by design for a good reason. Synths don't sound the same during the entire note. In order to make this work, you would have to always be processing the midi in the background which uses resources. The way Sonar is designed, if you mute a midi track, the work to generate the signal is not done. You would not want to send the note after the fact to the midi synth because midi synths do not sound the same at all points in the note. They have Decays and stuff. So... The choice is either always on, or wait until next note triggers. Sonar chose wait until next note triggers.
 
You can submit a feature request for always on if you want. Alternatively, I think you could just route the synth to a bus and mute/unmute it there.
 
unit25luca
6.) BROWSING THE INSTRUMENTS (SONAR) IS LIKE IN 1995. THIS IS SO USELESS WHEN IT COMES TO DIGGING

 
hmmm. As I'm a pretty dedicated Sonar user, I'm not sure what is better about the competition. Could you elaborate? I'm not convinced that the problem isn't your lack of understanding of the software.
 
unit25luca
Thinking of re sign my Membership for platinum.
:(
 

 
I'm suddenly thinking of that cups song...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmSbXsFE3l8
 
2015/05/24 08:51:58
Zargg
I think you will have to take a bit longer to get really into the workflow of the new SONAR. Did you use any previous versions before Platinum? Are you running the latest version? I cannot think of much I am not able to do in SONAR Platinum, MIDI or audio.
Anyway, best of luck.
2015/05/24 09:33:06
mudgel
And please. We are all Sonar users here.

SO STOP SHOUTING AT US. It's considered impolite, especially as you've had nothing but help so far.

Ask some specific questions and we'll help you sort out your difficulties.
2015/05/24 10:20:13
BlixYZ
nice use of caps.
2015/05/24 11:05:02
icontakt
unit25luca
1.) MIDI IS NOT WORKING TIGHT.

 
Be more specific, please.
 
unit25luca
2.) CHANGING MIDI NOTES WITH THE KEYBOARD IS NOT POSSIBLE. COME ON????!!!!!!!!!

 
Select the notes, double-click the Pitch field in the Event Inspector module on the Control Bar and enter the desired value if you mean a QWERTY keyboard, hit the white or black key if you mean a MIDI keyboard. 



2015/05/24 15:30:33
Anderton
1. Regarding Groove Clips, the short answer is you are using the wrong tool to do what you want. Groove Clip editing is a variation on the Acidization process - a feature that was invented by Sonic Foundry, and first appeared in Acid (now published by Sony). The Groove Clip process is optimized for editing WAV files in the Loop Construction Window so they can stretch over the widest possible tempo range. (Note that it takes some knowledge of how stretching works to get excellent results; I've published several articles on the subject.) It also specifies pitch so the pitch can follow Pitch markers and transpose during the course of a song. Furthermore, you can edit to optimize the stretching for different keys - it's more difficult to transpose pitch over a wide range than it is to change tempo over a wide range. Apple Loops use a virtually identical approach, because the main engineer behind the Acidization process now works for Apple.
 
Ableton Live's warping function is like SONAR's AudioSnap function, which allows you not only to apply grooves, but extract them (as well as do quantization).
 

 
In addition to applying existing grooves to a clip in SONAR, you can also create your own groove or edit existing ones by manipulating the transient markers revealed by using the AudioSnap palette, or by changing an audio track's Edit filter to Audio Transients.
 
IMHO what Ableton Live does better than any other program (including SONAR) is using warp to "ungroove" a clip that has an existing groove. I use this to edit old school tracks that weren't recorded to a click so they can be used in Traktor.
2015/05/24 15:35:20
Anderton
icontakt
unit25luca
2.) CHANGING MIDI NOTES WITH THE KEYBOARD IS NOT POSSIBLE. COME ON????!!!!!!!!!

 
Select the notes, double-click the Pitch field in the Event Inspector module on the Control Bar and enter the desired value if you mean a QWERTY keyboard, hit the white or black key if you mean a MIDI keyboard. 


 
Or maybe he means step time, which you can also do in SONAR.
2015/05/24 15:40:33
Anderton
6. You can create custom plug-in layouts for choosing synths or effects, and categorize them however you want, in as many categories as you want...just go to the plug-in manager. You can also create multiple custom layouts.
 
It sounds to me like you need to spend more time with SONAR. It is a very flexible program, and you would have to be Superman to discover them all - let alone learn how to use them - in a couple weeks.
2015/05/26 00:14:06
Anderton
I always wonder whether people who do posts like the OP read the answers and go back to learn more about the program, or just assume the issues don't have solutions, don't check back, and move on to something else...
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