bapu

ionecake
Hey Noel, Any chance you could give us an idea of the size of the team you have working on Cakewalk now? There's some confusion floating around that it's just one or two developers and maybe one or two support guys. Is that about right?

I'm not sure why you included the additional query of who wears boxers and who wears briefs.
 
What earthly good is there in knowing how many developers there are.
 
I've worked in all manner of team sizes and in my almost 40 years of programming experience I have found that (team) size does not matter. It's the deliverables that matter. How many people it took to do it is nearly irrelevant, IMO.

It's not an indictment if there is a small, medium, or large team. And I have no problem if it's a small, medium, or large team. Some great DAWs are essentially developed by tiny teams... no need to list them, but I can think of at least three where I know the teams are 1-4 developers total.
 
Anyway, I think there's a lot of misinformation floating around various forums, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to know what kind of team is presently working on Cakewalk. I'm sure we'll eventually find out with a new website or credits in the software, etc., etc., and if BandLab wants to keep that private for now, no problem. It's just better IMHO to know *more* on something like this. And why not? Dispel some of the misinformation and provide more clarity to the picture.
 
Not a big deal, and I apologize if I've taken this thread OT.

bapu

Anderton
I just don't see any significant reason not to move forward. 

Some people (believe it or not) are still on a 32bit OS.
 
There is one very significant reason that one (i.e. Paulo) *cannot* yet move forward.

To be clear, my OS is 64 bit. The issues that the new version gives me relate to plug-ins that do not function properly or at all in 64 bit Platinum. For this reason I have always just continued to work in the 32 bit version of Sonar. 

paulo
Well, I guess that you don't consider 32 bit Vst's that I use often that either have restricted functionality (unable to write automation) or for some reason are not even recognised by the 64 bit version of Platinum (Miroslav Philharmonik and Sampletank) to be a good reason, but they are good enough reasons for me to just stick with Platinum for now.

You can write automation with 32 bit VST's in X64 Cakewalk even via BitBridge. What is the specific case that doesnt work for you? I just tried it with a a 32 bit VST and was able to write auto64 bitmation after arming the track for automation. If you need the full plugin toolbar you can even open that by holding down ALT while opening the plugin UI.
 
This is the first I've heard 64 bit IK plugins not showing up when scanned. Have you reported this to IK and logged a bug earlier? I'm sure those are solvable problems. Is this reproducible with SampleTank 3?
 
Most vendors are going 64 bit only these days. Its expensive to support a legacy format and double the testing and integration effort for a tiny subset of users. If you absolutely need 32 bit support for some projects then by all means use an older version of the software. You can always freeze tracks with 32 bit plugins and then load the project into the 64 version to finish it.

paulo
First impressions ?
 
Is it not exactly the same thing with fewer options and a different badge ? 
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that the program lives and that there is potential for it to grow and become further developed, but until that happens what new impressions are there to have?

I’m sure I’m not the only one who was curious at whether there were any differences. The fact that questions are still popping up on things from included plugins to install process shows it’s not that black and white. I just discovered there are more plugIns included than I initially thought

Also, not everyone is coming from SPlat. My last version was a semi-baked beta of SPlat that still functioned but definitely had differences. My last full version was X3. It wasn’t worth the upgrade for me at the time.

Anderton
As to paying for 64-bit replacements, IIRC around the time the transition was happening you could often update to a 64-bit version as long as it wasn't a next-gen paid upgrade. Don't know how generous companies are feeling these days, though.

 
There are no (and never were) free 64bit upgrades from IK Multimedia for Sample Tank or Miroslav Philharmonik. Sad but true. The reason being they were 10 years in the making. Ask cclarry about that one.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

paulo
Well, I guess that you don't consider 32 bit Vst's that I use often that either have restricted functionality (unable to write automation) or for some reason are not even recognised by the 64 bit version of Platinum (Miroslav Philharmonik and Sampletank) to be a good reason, but they are good enough reasons for me to just stick with Platinum for now.

You can write automation with 32 bit VST's in X64 Cakewalk even via BitBridge. What is the specific case that doesnt work for you? I just tried it with a a 32 bit VST and was able to write auto64 bitmation after arming the track for automation. If you need the full plugin toolbar you can even open that by holding down ALT while opening the plugin UI.
 
This is the first I've heard 64 bit IK plugins not showing up when scanned. Have you reported this to IK and logged a bug earlier? I'm sure those are solvable problems. Is this reproducible with SampleTank 3?
 
Most vendors are going 64 bit only these days. Its expensive to support a legacy format and double the testing and integration effort for a tiny subset of users. If you absolutely need 32 bit support for some projects then by all means use an older version of the software. You can always freeze tracks with 32 bit plugins and then load the project into the 64 version to finish it.

I didn't know how to uncover the various buttons that are covered by the blue strip in the bit-bridged UI's so thank you for that - I'm not near my DAW pc right now to check, but that could well be the answer to my automation issue in 64 bit version.
 
However..........Sampletank 2.5 and Miroslav .dlls is still an issue. They are in the same folder as many other plug-ins that are recognised by scanning that folder in x64 and are recognised by the 32 bit version scan, but are ignored by x64 for some reason and therefore do not show up in the list of available instruments. This has been the case ever since I had to install win 7 when it was no longer possible to install sonar on XP (X3 IIRC ?). I went through the problem with the folks who were here at the time and it was never resolved. IIRC I wasn't the only person having this issue with these particular plug ins. I never took it up with IK because my experience of their product support to that point didn't fill me with hope that it would be a fruitful way to spend further time, so in the end I decided that it was just easier all round to use the 32 bit version of X3Pro and then Platinum where all was well.
 
The issue remains as of Platinum 2017.10. I tried again recently in case it had been fixed in the meantime, once I saw that you were dropping the 32 bit version.
 
I have no idea re Sampletank 3 as AFAIK it is 64 bit only so I've never bothered with it . I understand what you say about jumping between 32/64 as necessary, but I'm sure you can understand that faffing around like that if I just want to make a small tweak to a synth track mid project is not exactly conducive to the creative process.
( Especially if Bandlab Cakewalk opens with the same degree of lethargy as Platinum seems to, but no need to go there!)
 
Please understand that it is not my wish or expectation that you spend any further time considering or responding to this, but at the same time I think you should not really be making comments that there is " no good reason" why an existing user should not use the bandlab version because in some cases there is.

I don't know if this addresses the sampletank issue, but as someone who has at least partially moved over to studio one, which does not see 32 plugins, and as one who only owned sampletank 2.5, I have installed the sampletank 3 free version that is made for importing other libraries (I think it's called custom shop) and successfully read in all of my sampletank and sonic synth 2 libraries (a non destructive, converted duplicate) and it works great in both Splat and studio one. I have cbb installed, so I can definitely check there as well, though I am nearly certain it works there. And it has a better gui with a scroll wheel that actually works.

Does that help at all?

That was my solution too with Sonar Home Studio

 Too

bapu

Anderton
As to paying for 64-bit replacements, IIRC around the time the transition was happening you could often update to a 64-bit version as long as it wasn't a next-gen paid upgrade. Don't know how generous companies are feeling these days, though.

 
There are no (and never were) free 64bit upgrades from IK Multimedia for Sample Tank or Miroslav Philharmonik. Sad but true. The reason being they were 10 years in the making. Ask cclarry about that one.

 
I meant it in a more general sense, not specifically IK because I couldn't remember whether they did or did not. Too bad they didn't.